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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    Wearing a bikini does not seem, at first glance, to be a form of oppression to Westerners.
    And it is not.

    And to be more accurate, most Imams here won't consider that wearing a bikini is a form of "oppression", but rather that this is an offense to Allah and therefore, an act that should be punished...

    Once again, BIG difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    And it is not.

    And to be more accurate, most Imams here won't consider that wearing a bikini is a form of "oppression", but rather that this is an offense to God...

    Once again, BIG difference.
    You are taking the cartoon too literally. You also assume she is from the Middle East when in fact I have seen burka-clad Muslim women who live in the US. If you want to take it that literally, then don't assume the cartoon Muslim was even born in the Middle East under that oppressive legal system.

    And by taking it literally, you only manage to point out that the cartoon is unrealistic in its attempt to make a valid point that apparently only Westerners can understand. Let's assume that there is not a single Muslim female in the world, not even one born in the US, who would judge the other woman as living under oppression. The point is still taken, and is done through clever comparison with another, seemingly-opposite cultural milieu. Pointing out the obvious differences between cultures does not mean that the conclusion is wrong. Citing the oppressive barbarity of Middle Eastern laws in contrast to Western mores does not mean that the conclusion is wrong. The idea that no real Muslim woman would ever think that way does not make the conclusion wrong.
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    Women in the West might not be forced to any form of dress codes, enforced by any formal social conventions or religiously beliefs . But look what kind of fucked up phenomenons have been given way to through the social pressures arising out of the informal commercialization of aethsetics that are absent in muslim socities. I want to avoid connecting this issue, but the parallel is unavoidable. Western societies may have progressed far more in their social conception and legislation for gender-equality in terms of political rights, education, labour-market, social taboos, and general freedom, but women have not escaped expectations of social conformity, after the downfall of socially conservative religious values that permeated the west. Now whether that is a form of opression is debateable, but the nauseating effects are still present.
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    It would be ironic if the feminists in the west were to converge on a shared politics with theocons of the middle east.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    It would be ironic if the feminists in the west were to converge on a shared politics with theocons of the middle east.
    Correction: Feminazis
    "Where can you flee? What road will you use to escape us? Our horses are swift, our arrows sharp, our swords like thunderbolts, our hearts as hard as the mountains, our soldiers as numerous as the sand. Fortresses will not detain us, nor arms stop us. Your prayers to God will not avail against us. We are not moved by tears nor touched by lamentations."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColonelGadaafi View Post
    Correction: Feminazis
    What is the word, there is one, gyno- something, something.

    Its more of a phenomenon of the US than elsewhere.

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