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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    Americans (forgive the generalization) know SO LITTLE about the rest of the world.
    That's why it is our job to learn 'em about the rest of the world.

    Or should that be 'teach them' about the rest of the world?

    No, we don't wanna teach them, we wanna learn 'em and learn 'em about the rest of the world.

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    Ehmm, sorry *hesitantly pokes head through door*...

    ..is this the America-bashing, the let's-discuss-the-Canadian-educational-system or the Let's-compare-different-country's-views-on-their-history-and-heritage thread?

    I am a bit confused and unwilling to post a 12 page essay on modern Germany's schizophrenic relationship with it's tumultuous history if this turns out being the wrong room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Just read this article concerning American and Canadian interpretations of the War of 1812; is Canada planning anything to commermorate the bicentennial?
    You'd think they'd be celebrating the 30th anniversary of the birth of their country more this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Herring View Post
    Ehmm, sorry *hesitantly pokes head through door*...

    ..is this the America-bashing, the let's-discuss-the-Canadian-educational-system or the Let's-compare-different-country's-views-on-their-history-and-heritage thread?

    I am a bit confused and unwilling to post a 12 page essay on modern Germany's schizophrenic relationship with it's tumultuous history if this turns out being the wrong room.

    [YOUTUBE="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnTmBjk-M0c"]"Is this the right room...?"[/YOUTUBE]
    Here's a perspective from an outsider: Germany has about 15 years to be totally ashamed of, with the caveat that other Western nations would probably have entered that unfornate pool if Germany hadn't gone first (and illustrated the consequences) through historical circumstance. Bottom line, Germany (and the rest of the West) need to focus on the whole picture rather than a single era.

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    I agree that in my experience most countries have the "Forget it! It's in the past!" attitude to their history. This just seems to be a result of the general lack of interest in history that most people have these days. I suppose individual countries will have other reasons.

    My country doesn't tend to celebrate its history all that much. This is in part because we are a warts and all about it. Every child over the age of 9 or so, is aware of the dodgy things that went on and the repercussions they had. I don't just mean what happened between the Europeans and the native people, but also a variety of others such as the environmental damage. Basically it's pretty depressing to talk about the incredibly crappy and stupid things that were done, so we don't go too in depth about it. Of course every country has terrible things that happened in it's history but NZers struggle to forget the bad and focus on the good. The other issue is the general cultural cringe, which means we feel like our history isn't all that interesting or important.

    I do wish we taught more in school. We learn a little bit about the very significant moments, a vague outline of the rest with a few detailed bits here and there but nowhere near enough. In this sense I envy America's embracing of its history. On the other hand I get the impression that Americans look backwards too much and that they over-idealise their past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    You'd think they'd be celebrating the 30th anniversary of the birth of their country more this year.
    You mean 145th.

    Patriating the constitution was more of a legal formality than anything. Nothing substantially changed between the day before and the day after. Not to mention it's not a particularly popular subject to discuss given how it went down. Quebec never consented to its approval and to this day the merits and faults of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms are fiercely debated.

    Plus it was enacted by a government under Trudeau, one of both the most revered and hated Canadians of all time. The fact that we now have a Conservative government all but assures the 30th anniversary of the passing of the Constitution Act will go unheralded. They'd never 'celebrate' Liberal legislation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 93JC View Post
    You mean 145th.

    Patriating the constitution was more of a legal formality than anything. Nothing substantially changed between the day before and the day after. Not to mention it's not a particularly popular subject to discuss given how it went down. Quebec never consented to its approval and to this day the merits and faults of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms are fiercely debated.

    Plus it was enacted by a government under Trudeau, one of both the most revered and hated Canadians of all time. The fact that we now have a Conservative government all but assures the 30th anniversary of the passing of the Constitution Act will go unheralded. They'd never 'celebrate' Liberal legislation.
    The blessing of your sovereign to become a complete and fully autonomous country should be celebrated!

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    If I'ld answer with "yes" to the op's question, I'd have to kill you all for knowing too much
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Herring View Post
    Ehmm, sorry *hesitantly pokes head through door*...

    ..is this the America-bashing, the let's-discuss-the-Canadian-educational-system or the Let's-compare-different-country's-views-on-their-history-and-heritage thread?

    I am a bit confused and unwilling to post a 12 page essay on modern Germany's schizophrenic relationship with it's tumultuous history if this turns out being the wrong room.
    Expecting your essay in due time, I will just drop the usual one-liner as a precursor.

    Yes, Germany celebrates its history - on the 3rd of October and, if you will, on the day of national mourning (Volkstrauertag). Besides that, national pride and such are generally regarded as suspect.

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    English people are ambivalent patriots. They're uncomfortable with overt displays of patriotism except in the context of sporting events. When English people are uncomfortable doing something, they dress it in ironic humour. For example, they'll often put a union jack on a Mini Cooper precisely because it's so diminutive; putting a similar union jack on an Aston Martin Vanquish, on the other hand, would probably be unacceptably pretentious. Symbols of English patriotism must also be used carefully because of associations with abhorrent political movements like the so-called British National Party.

    Americans don't have this problem. They are natural and earnest in their patriotism. However, that doesn't seem to entail a better grasp of history.
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