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    Default Aiding and abetting, or effective disease control? ('Crazy Candians' content)

    "Vancouver health authority begins its free crack pipe program for addicts"

    http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/12...m-for-addicts/

    I think it's a giant waste of money that could be allocated in supporting better methods of combating addiction. Methods that actually attempt to address the problem, not just put a band-aid on it. To me, it seems selfish on the government's part. It appears that they're only worried about the strain that these addicts put on the health care system ($$$) when they're circulated through the ER because of the problems that addiction inflict on an individual. The main focus should be effectively treating these people and rehabilitating them, not giving them fancy, clean, shatterproof, heat-resistant crack pipes and other drug paraphernalia.

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    The very best, most expensive, most scientifically valid methods of combating addiction only work if the addicts want to get clean in the first place. For the ones who aren't ready to stop, this could help reduce the spread of disease. If the threat of HIV and hepatitis were an effective deterrent, these people would not be addicts in the first place...

    It's not clear whether the cost of pipes etc is higher or lower than the cost of health treatment, but things like hospital stays, AIDS medication, liver transplants, etc are extremely, extremely expensive. Tens and probably hundreds of thousands of dollars per person over a lifetime. It seems likely that the cost of producing and distributing these safe injection kits is less than that. Even if it isn't, it is a matter of public health - even if you don't give a crap about the health of addicts, higher disease rates in that population will spread over to the non-addict population as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swordpath View Post
    "Vancouver health authority begins its free crack pipe program for addicts"

    http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/12...m-for-addicts/

    I think it's a giant waste of money that could be allocated in supporting better methods of combating addiction. Methods that actually attempt to address the problem, not just put a band-aid on it. To me, it seems selfish on the government's part. It appears that they're only worried about the strain that these addicts put on the health care system ($$$) when they're circulated through the ER because of the problems that addiction inflict on an individual. The main focus should be effectively treating these people and rehabilitating them, not giving them fancy, clean, shatterproof, heat-resistant crack pipes and other drug paraphernalia.
    Sounds like a programme addicts are actually going to use, not all addicts want to kick the habit and since they are going to carry on accessing other services and being in circulation perhaps its something to help them manage their addiction until the time they're prepared to move on.

    I know that the main criticism of these sorts of services, there are already needle exchanges around the world and in the UK in the seventies and eighties they set up so called "shooting galleries" for a while, places where people could go and use their drugs under loose supervision, usually on the basis that it was analogous to so called "wet centres" places in which street drinkers and rough sleepers could shelter and access extremely cheap alcohol, is that people dont "move on". Maybe that's not the purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    The very best, most expensive, most scientifically valid methods of combating addiction only work if the addicts want to get clean in the first place. For the ones who aren't ready to stop, this could help reduce the spread of disease. If the threat of HIV and hepatitis were an effective deterrent, these people would not be addicts in the first place...

    It's not clear whether the cost of pipes etc is higher or lower than the cost of health treatment, but things like hospital stays, AIDS medication, liver transplants, etc are extremely, extremely expensive. Tens and probably hundreds of thousands of dollars per person over a lifetime. It seems likely that the cost of producing and distributing these safe injection kits is less than that. Even if it isn't, it is a matter of public health - even if you don't give a crap about the health of addicts, higher disease rates in that population will spread over to the non-addict population as well.
    Good post.
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