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    Ill use north korea as an example.

    Im pretty sure that everyone knows the general situation of north korea(not talking about that kim chum limwhatever guys death), but the fact that people are pertty much starving there and are manipulated to stay in the country.

    Now forgeiners(if they really wanted to) could help these people. Now if they would do thay, there would be shit loads of refugees coming from there. They would mostly go to china, but it would be a shitty thing for china, so china wouldnt want there refugees.

    China is, how should i put it, it kinda runs the whole world and in theory owns usa(usa has so much dept for them, that they simply cant pay). Basically china manufactures crap and usa buys them(and so does rest of the world). So china basically holds the world on its balls on a tight kung fu grip. Therefore other countries dont want things to happen that china doesent want to happen.

    -> its easier for everyone to keep these potential refugees in fenced area where we dont have to pay attention to them.

    Is this a good thing or a bad thing? Well good for us(thinking financially/politically), bad for those people living in north korea or who knows? Alot of stuff could get worse for many of them as refugees, majority would just starve in china..

    So its basically throwing dices, wishing for 7 and making compromises.

    And the same analogy can be used in domestic politics. We got different parties(in other words people wanting different things) trying to get their stuff through and need to make same sort of compromises with other parties and wishing that they make right decisions.

    What do you think about this situation about potential refugees coming from north korea? Would it be the right thing to set them free or is it better that china will get pissed off and tighten the iron fist holding balls of the world amd potentially just make those people even more miserable and making stuff worse for people in china?
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    Its a good idea to save talking about politics for when you're sober.

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    I'll be honest. I have no idea what you just said.
    First, his name was Kim Jong-Il. Second, foreign nations have tried to aid North Korea, Kim Jong-Il did not allow any of the food or medical goods to go to the people who needed it and began to flat out refuse and turn away any other charities.
    And it's always good to allow refuges in, they're people too y'know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elisius View Post
    I'll be honest. I have no idea what you just said.
    First, his name was Kim Jong-Il. Second, foreign nations have tried to aid North Korea, Kim Jong-Il did not allow any of the food or medical goods to go to the people who needed it and began to flat out refuse and turn away any other charities.
    And it's always good to allow refuges in, they're people too y'know.
    I wasnt talking about charity and i know the leaders refuse to take charities. You know that the people living there most likely dont even know that they have been offered any charities, they live in some lalaland where their leader is some superhero who learned to walk 8 weeks old and first time he played gold he got all whole in one etc etc..
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    Politics is explained very simply by the political fact that power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

    So North Korea is the perfect example of absolute power corrupting absolutely.

    So the political answer we have found to power is to limit it. We don't abolish power, rather we limit power and call this liberal democracy.

    However liberal democracy is held in creative tension because politicians intuitively wish to maximize their power, while liberal democracy seeks to counter-intuitively to limit their power over us. So the intuitive and the counter-intuitive are in constant creative tension.

    Another way to look at it is that spoken cultures seek intuitively to maximize power, while literate cultures seek counter-intuitively to limit power. So spoken cultures, that is, tribal cultures and literate cultures are in constant state of tension.

    Or we might say that literacy is the antidote for spoken, tribal cultures.

    This is very important as we move from the ascendancy of literacy into the new dispensation of the global village and electronic tribalism.

    And we notice those cultures with a tradition of universal literacy will survive the etribalism of the global village, while traditional tribalism, without the antidote of literacy, are being driven into a state of frenzey by piling electronic trabalism onto traditional tribalism. Just watch your TV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Politics is explained very simply by the political fact that power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
    Power is attractive to those who are corruptible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    Power is attractive to those who are corruptible.
    and those who kick asphalt [and asses].

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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    Power is attractive to those who are corruptible.
    Power is the greatest aphrodisiac.

    So those who are alientated from themselves and others find power irresistable.

    And as much of our world's population is alientated, the best we can do is limit power.

    In the long run, the very long run, we can change our child rearing practices so that each and every one of us is in touch with our deepest feelings and the deepest feelings of others.

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    First, why on earth would Koreans want to leave Korea? This is a unique culture that appears to be legitimate and enduring, if abhorrent by western standards.

    Second, I am far more worried about the Americans that own America, rather than the Chinese that own America, because China owns a mere 8% of US debt.

    Americans, on the other hand, own so much of America that they can practically do whatever they want. Consider that 42% of this ownership is controlled by a tiny portion (1% of the population), and one should be very alarmed.

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