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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    And what? They are corrected?

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    No, they do and say stupid things, and sometimes even propose harmful political action thereupon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    No, they do and say stupid things, and sometimes even propose harmful political action thereupon.
    Then you stop them. It is the moral duty of a citizen to educate and protect members of society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xisnotx View Post
    The active function of evolution is to adapt a species such that it's offspring are more viable in certain environments. Gay people can't have kids. If gayness is natural, then, evolutionarily speaking, it's a stupid thing for nature to manifest.

    Perhaps, evolutionarily speaking, gayness is natures way of removing genes from the gene pool that aren't necessary, or redundant?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    False

    Most gay people can have kids. Some gay people may be sterile or too old to bear children, but the majority of gay people can have children.

    Why is gayness, evolutionarily speaking, a stupid thing for nature to manifest?
    You'd have to define "gay" as simply having sex with a member of your own gender for that to be true. In which case, being gay is a choice, no one can force you to have sex with someone you don't want to. (or at least, there are laws against that..).

    If gayness isn't a choice, if it is also the feelings that come with sex, then, evolutionarily speaking, it's a weird thing to have been manifested in nature.

    I'll revoke the word "stupid". How about: Gayness is a "redundancy reducing" agent of evolution?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reason View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by xisnotx View Post
    You'd have to define "gay" as simply having sex with a member of your own gender for that to be true. In which case, being gay is a choice, no one can force you to have sex with someone you don't want to. (or at least, there are laws against that..).

    If gayness isn't a choice, if it is also the feelings that come with sex, then, evolutionarily speaking, it's a weird thing to have been manifested in nature.

    I'll revoke the word "stupid". How about: Gayness is a "redundancy reducing" agent of evolution?
    Even if being gay is evolutionarily "stupid" (aka an incentive against having kids), I don't see why gay marriage is stupid. It's not like more people will choose not to have kids...

    Infertile straight people can get married...

    Regarding the choice thing, I'm pretty sure I didn't choose to be attracted to the people I'm attracted to. There have been times it's been really inconvenient to be attracted to someone (like my female friends that are in relationships), but I can't turn it off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xisnotx View Post
    You'd have to define "gay" as simply having sex with a member of your own gender for that to be true. In which case, being gay is a choice, no one can force you to have sex with someone you don't want to. (or at least, there are laws against that..).

    If gayness isn't a choice, if it is also the feelings that come with sex, then, evolutionarily speaking, it's a weird thing to have been manifested in nature.

    I'll revoke the word "stupid". How about: Gayness is a "redundancy reducing" agent of evolution?
    In a pro-natalist community, I could see how a gay individual could be less useful than a straight individual. If increasing the population size is the #1 priority, then a gay or sterile individual would arguably be less useful than a straight individual

    However, not all communities and populations are pro-natalist. Furthermore, in both human and animal societies, there are a multitude of individual organisms that do not reproduce, yet are very important to the enrichment of that society. For example, most bees that are hatched do not reproduce and in fact have no sex drive whatsoever for the duration of their lives. Reproduction is handled by specialists, while other essential tasks are performed by other individuals.

    So, one could say that, a gay person is less likely to produce a child, but this leaves that individual free to perform other work (increasing survivability across the board for the entire population)

    A gay nurse, for example, would either have a child using a sperm/egg donor and raise that child, or devote a larger amount of his or her time to promoting the health of a community (because maternal/paternal responsibilities limit the amount of work that could be done)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    Which lives would a person locked in death row be posed to threaten?

    It would appear that all three of your inalienable rights are alienable under various circumstances

    Are they truly natural rights? Or are they thought of, written, codified, and enforced by societies?
    I just explained how they aren't...you're again confusing "alienable" and "violable." They don't mean the same thing.

    If it's wrong to murder, you can infer a right to life. If it's wrong to steal, a right to property. They are simplified terms, yes...but that doesn't make them invalid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    I just explained how they aren't...you're again confusing "alienable" and "violable." They don't mean the same thing.

    If it's wrong to murder, you can infer a right to life. If it's wrong to steal, a right to property. They are simplified terms, yes...but that doesn't make them invalid.
    Why would a right then be inalienable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    Why would a right then be inalienable?
    I give up.
    You lose.

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