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    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    No...before you mention taxes as an example of violating the right to property, it's wrong. Only certain taxes could be interpreted as a violation of that right. Income tax, for example, is questionable, depending on how you view the transaction, whether your presence in the state is voluntary, etc. Sales tax, as another example, does not violate that right, period. You don't buy something, you don't pay any tax. Nothing is taken from you. The right to life isn't as grey as it might appear either, in that life is pretty much only taken by the state when it represents a threat to other life. The right to liberty? Yes, I think that is often violated, and it shouldn't be. But sometimes there's not much you can do about an injustice.
    Which lives would a person locked in death row be posed to threaten?

    It would appear that all three of your inalienable rights are alienable under various circumstances

    Are they truly natural rights? Or are they thought of, written, codified, and enforced by societies?

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    “Natural rights is simple nonsense: natural and imprescriptible rights, rhetorical nonsense — nonsense upon stilts.” - Jeremy Bentham
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    Gay marriage is, evolutionarily speaking, stupid. But people can be stupid if they want to, evolutionarily of course.

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    Does a natural right have any meaning whatsoever if it can be violated freely?

    Would it not be better to determine which rights are protected (enforced by law)?

    Is there any point in labeling a right "natural" or "inalienable" if it can be violated or revoked?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xisnotx View Post
    Gay marriage is, evolutionarily speaking, stupid.
    How so?

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    The active function of evolution is to adapt a species such that it's offspring are more viable in certain environments. Gay people can't have kids. If gayness is natural, then, evolutionarily speaking, it's a stupid thing for nature to manifest.

    Perhaps, evolutionarily speaking, gayness is natures way of removing genes from the gene pool that aren't necessary, or redundant?

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    Look, the only serious issue that remains is whether Barack Obama has been possessed by the ghost of Osama Bin Laden. Has anyone noticed how much Obama has aged over the last few years? Just like Bin Laden used to age. How about him stepping up efforts to withdraw from Iraq? Just like Bin Laden wanted. The evidence is stacking up.
    A criticism that can be brought against everything ought not to be brought against anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xisnotx View Post
    The active function of evolution is to adapt a species such that it's offspring are more viable in certain environments. Gay people can't have kids. If gayness is natural, then, evolutionarily speaking, it's a stupid thing for nature to manifest.
    False

    Most gay people can have kids. Some gay people may be sterile or too old to bear children, but the majority of gay people can have children.

    Why is gayness, evolutionarily speaking, a stupid thing for nature to manifest?

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    This is why sociobiology is so dangerous. It gets in the hand of the idiotic lay person, and...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    This is why sociobiology is so dangerous. It gets in the hand of the idiotic lay person, and...
    And what? They are corrected?

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