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    *scratches head*

    So...because people are emotional in their decision making, it's better to break free trade agreements so tariffs can be slapped on, even though the political and economic ramifications might destroy your country? That's not a solution. That's seppuku.

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    That's temporary seppuku. we might loose face but at least we would be able to pay back what is owed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yakimadude View Post
    That's temporary seppuku. we might loose face but at least we would be able to pay back what is owed.
    It's not about face. The global political platform is based on pat my back, I'll pat your back. Consider the debt. How much is externally held? What benefits does being the reserve currency provide to the U.S.? I could go on and on and this is without knowing how each free trade or trade agreement is definitively structured. What are the ramifications of breaking trade agreements with which country and to what degree?

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    Here is a fascinating article on taxation

    http://www.businessweek.com/finance/..._80_sound.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I'm so sick of this Atlas Shrugged bullshit. Why are the wealthy never chastised for failing to be patriotic? If the US sucks so much that they want to leave, I say fuck them. They can go move to China. That's where they're creating jobs with that $72 billion, anyway.
    patriotism is outdated. nobody chose to be born in a certain country, so why be loyal to it. at the end of the day, I only care about myself, the rest of the world can go satisfy a horse
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    I only care about myself, the rest of the world can go satisfy a horse
    I'm sorry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    I'm sorry
    I don't know what you're sorry about, not caring about society is one of the most liberating beliefs I can think of. apology accepted
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    What about money hoarding by the rich? Just because (regardless of financial status) you have the money doesn't mean you're going to use it. I'm sure a small fraction of their money not being returned as quickly won't hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    patriotism is outdated. nobody chose to be born in a certain country, so why be loyal to it. at the end of the day, I only care about myself, the rest of the world can go satisfy a horse
    Patriotism is what makes my job worth it all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crayons View Post
    What about money hoarding by the rich? Just because (regardless of financial status) you have the money doesn't mean you're going to use it. I'm sure a small fraction of their money not being returned as quickly won't hurt.
    assuming they did so legally, they provided value to people for every penny they made (if they made it dishonestly, that's another topic). the point is that taking money from someone is never justified, even if it "won't hurt" it's a control thing. "I earned it and I'll decide what to do with it"
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