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    Political Insolvency

    The Chinese are waking up to discover they have lent so much to the USA that they are never going to get it back.

    It's not that the USA, can't pay them back. After all, the USA is still the biggest economy in the world. No, it's that the USA won't pay them back.

    And the USA won't pay them back, not for economic reasons, but for political reasons. Yes, the USA is insolvent because of political reasons.

    So you can imagine how the Chinese feel. They feel they have been taken advantage of. They feel they have been duded.

    Not only has the USA taken their money, but the USA is confronting them in the South China Sea. And to add insult to injury, the USA lectures China on human rights.

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    And the Chinese are happy to play along. It's the Chinese people who foot the bill, and since when has the Chinese government ever given a fuck about the Chinese people? It's not like Chinese leaders are going to be lose an election or suffer personally. In any case, they're all preoccupied with their internal power struggles and backstabbing. Every day, the Chinese government fiddles with exchange rates to the detriment of poor Chinese and to the benefit of wealthy Americans. If the Chinese ruling elite has demonstrated one thing, it's that they just don't give a shit what happens to China as a whole: they didn't get to where they are today by looking out for the little guy. There is nothing they can do if the United States decides to default on its debt; they can't send the bailiffs to confiscate the White House furniture. More importantly, there is nothing they'd want to do, because the China and the United States are too interdependent in myriad other ways besides holding Treasury Bills. The United States is more likely to go to war with Britain over the proper way to consume tea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reason View Post
    And the Chinese are happy to play along. It's the Chinese people who foot the bill, and since when has the Chinese government ever given a fuck about the Chinese people? It's not like Chinese leaders are going to be lose an election or suffer personally. In any case, they're all preoccupied with their internal power struggles and backstabbing. Every day, the Chinese government fiddles with exchange rates to the detriment of poor Chinese and to the benefit of wealthy Americans. If the Chinese ruling elite has demonstrated one thing, it's that they just don't give a shit what happens to China as a whole: they didn't get to where they are today by looking out for the little guy. There is nothing they can do if the United States decides to default on its debt; they can't send the bailiffs to confiscate the White House furniture. More importantly, there is nothing they'd want to do, because the China and the United States are too interdependent in myriad other ways besides holding Treasury Bills. The United States is more likely to go to war with Britain over the proper way to consume tea.
    The Deputy Premier of China has just given an order to the Chinese Armed Forces to prepare extensively and in depth for war in the South China Sea.

    At the same time the USA has pupose built ships to fight in the South China Sea, to wit: stealth tri-marans.

    China claims as their sovereign territory the islands in the South China Sea, which are sitting on vast amounts of oil and gas.

    And the USA is forming military alliances with India and Indo-China to contain China militarily.

    And the stated aim of China is to remove the USA back beyond the first line of islands around China.

    The USA believes they can prevail at sea, while China will not give up their sovereign territory.

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    Do I hear sabers rattling?

    Governments don't do wars unless they're confident of victory; it's just not a politically winning strategy. Sometimes they miscalculate. The Nazis weren't trying to start World War II when they invaded Poland. Neither the Chinese ruling elite nor politicians in Washington have anything to gain from any serious confrontation; even politicians are not that delusional. It's the kind of "war" that'll be so cold it'll cool the sun. It's a "war" that'll be waged in flashy graphics on 24-hour news networks by cranks trying to frighten their audience for shits 'n' giggles. Life is just that little more entertaining to have that vague threat of China hanging around and the media knows it. People flock to that shit like prophecies of the apocalypse; it satisfies a deep-rooted perversion for armaggedon that is why Hollywood farts out so many disaster movies.
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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...documents.html
    (i know its the daily mail but this was a segment from some other news sources as well like cnn)
    think its connected to this? i guess china had more nuclear missiles than reported. is`nt there some 3rd world country trying to get their hands on some missiles?
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    China has already targeted aircraft carriers of the USA with ballistic missles. So imagine a carrier stepping over the red line in the South China Sea and being vapourised by a Chinese ballistic missle.

    This would make the Gulf of Tonkin Incident look like a tea party, and Iraq's weapons of Mass Destruction look like bows and arrows. It would be equivalent to 9/11 which led to the invasion of two countries, or even equivalent to Pearl Harbour which led to WW II.

    WW I was the war that didn't need to happen but did. Are we looking at something similar today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    China has already targeted aircraft carriers of the USA with ballistic missles. So imagine a carrier stepping over the red line in the South China Sea and being vapourised by a Chinese ballistic missle.

    This would make the Gulf of Tonkin Incident look like a tea party, and Iraq's weapons of Mass Destruction look like bows and arrows. It would be equivalent to 9/11 which led to the invasion of two countries, or even equivalent to Pearl Harbour which led to WW II.

    WW I was the war that didn't need to happen but did. Are we looking at something similar today?
    Our Seawolf Class nuclear submarines can sit idle for nearly 6 months on the floor of the ocean, and then shoot nuclear Tomahawk missiles out of their 8 torpedo bays at the front of the sub, WITHOUT EVEN SURFACING.

    Once in the atmosphere, the Tomahawks will speed toward their targets as warranted by satellite.

    In a few short moments Beijing, and any other part of China would be DUST.

    This is why we are confident, because we've spent more than every other country in the world combined on our military for over 50 years.

    Has China done this? NO.

    Has China's military ever seen REAL COMBAT? = NO.

    Dream on, Victor.

    Recession or not, the U.S. is still THE SUPERPOWER when it comes to kicking ass and taking names.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halla74 View Post
    Our Seawolf Class nuclear submarines can sit idle for nearly 6 months on the floor of the ocean, and then shoot nuclear Tomahawk missiles out of their 8 torpedo bays at the front of the sub, WITHOUT EVEN SURFACING.

    Once in the atmosphere, the Tomahawks will speed toward their targets as warranted by satellite.

    In a few short moments Beijing, and any other part of China would be DUST.

    This is why we are confident, because we've spent more than every other country in the world combined on our military for over 50 years.

    Has China done this? NO.

    Has China's military ever seen REAL COMBAT? = NO.

    Dream on, Victor.

    Recession or not, the U.S. is still THE SUPERPOWER when it comes to kicking ass and taking names.

    Definitely going to add this to the 'Words that turn you on thread'!

    With your permission of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by earthtrekker1775 View Post
    Definitely going to add this to the 'Words that turn you on thread'!

    With your permission of course.
    Permission granted!
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    We have a pretty good thing going.

    The Chinese people work and toil so we can have tons of super cheap, neat, shiny stuff in excess. In return, we export them useless treasuries and inflation.

    It's a great deal because without lazy, over consuming Americans, billions of Chinese would have nothing better to do and would likely rebel or something.

    Order us up another 5 million "Free Tibet" T-shirts. Nine Dolla!

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