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    Quote Originally Posted by Robopop View Post
    Seriously, has anyone heard this, the US senate just passed a bill that would allow the president/or government to use the military to detain any US citizen without due process or any charges at all, just based on pure suspicion, they have declared america a battlefield. This is susposed to "protect" us from "terrorist" huh........lol at the politicians trying to get military protection from the soon to be angry masses.
    This has been going on for years. No one cared when Guantanamo went up and stays up. That saying "When they came for the Jews, the Socialists, the gays, etc" blah blah blah seems apt here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CzeCze View Post
    This has been going on for years. No one cared when Guantanamo went up and stays up. That saying "When they came for the Jews, the Socialists, the gays, etc" blah blah blah seems apt here.
    Indeed.
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    This doesnt surprise me, although if the government really wanted to neutralise any threat from the population they'd flood the community with junk food and enough money to pay for it, booze aswell, then everyone will be physically unfit to oppose them, finally ensure that most people are priced out of the market for health services, wait...

    I think, to be honest that governments are gearing up for the chaos which will follow when the irresponsible punks in control of the money markets finally break the economy for good.

    In the UK they've made it abundantly clear that they're barbarians and wont heed anything, there where major but unbinding recommendations from the Bank of England for banks to rethink bonuses and obscene boardroom pay deals, did they listen? Well do they have to? Nope.

    The thing with "too big to fail" is that it will be invoked over and over and over, although if they are permitted to fail it isnt the bankers who will riot, they're facing, at the absolute worst, their standards of living being reduced to permits those of the middle classes, although the middle classes and working classes could be facing the wiping out of their living standards altogether.

    What I would say, from the history of my part of the world, is that internment without trial and suspension of legal rights and court processes is just a means to radicalise lots and lots of people and its a recruit day for militant, even paramilitary, organisations. There's a running joke that most of the actions the UK government took like this where boons and favours to the fledgling paramilitaries in the opening days of the troubles. Mind you, there conspiracy theorists who'd say the government wanted it that way but that's another story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robopop View Post
    It's quite frightening that they even considered this at all, it literally gives the US government almost unlimited power to silence whoever is deemed suspect without any evidence or charges/trial. It seems to be straight out of nazi germany or some weird sci fi story.
    It happened here in Brazil as well, during the military dictatorship period - more specifically, during the Médici years. Institutional Act #5 ensured you didn't need a warrant to "interrogate" someone, for as long as you needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CzeCze View Post
    This has been going on for years. No one cared when Guantanamo went up and stays up. That saying "When they came for the Jews, the Socialists, the gays, etc" blah blah blah seems apt here.
    I wouldn't say no one cared, lots of people cared. They were just labeled as anti-American and told "if you don't like it, you can git out".
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    This is just what happens all over the world in the so called civilised countries, EU is no different here. Governments year by year try to find new laws which make it easier to put everyone they want into prison or use the military wherever they want or observe the people whenever they want, always under a different cloak, mostly though because of giant terrorist paranoia which oddly seems to be shared only by the politicians in power and not by the general population. They follow that plan in many small steps, but eventually they will reach their goal. People will not act against it before it is far too late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eckhart View Post
    This is just what happens all over the world in the so called civilised countries, EU is no different here. Governments year by year try to find new laws which make it easier to put everyone they want into prison or use the military wherever they want or observe the people whenever they want, always under a different cloak, mostly though because of giant terrorist paranoia which oddly seems to be shared only by the politicians in power and not by the general population. They follow that plan in many small steps, but eventually they will reach their goal. People will not act against it before it is far too late.
    That cloak for passing these kinds of laws sounds familiar...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CzeCze View Post
    This has been going on for years. No one cared when Guantanamo went up and stays up. That saying "When they came for the Jews, the Socialists, the gays, etc" blah blah blah seems apt here.
    WTF why're they coming for me before the gays?! Cant they come for the gays and we'll call a halt to it at that point?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrinth View Post
    That cloak for passing these kinds of laws sounds familiar...

    How the hell did Goering get that quote from the Bush administration!?!

    Damn, the capitalist pigs Rumsfeld and Rove have cracked time travel!

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