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    Quote Originally Posted by xisnotx View Post
    Umm...
    1. If you assent to the immorality of drug use then the question becomes "how do we go about enforcing the illegality of drug use". To which an apropriate would address your violence concernss.
    Okay then, adultery is immoral in our society. How do we go about enforcing the illegality of adultery?

    There is a huge logical disconnect in your reasoning. HUGE! The proper question is "what policy should we implement that can minimize this undesired behavior".

    2. It's called govern-ance for a reason. And that reason makes your equation of society and government flawed.
    You seem quite authoritarian to me. Perhaps your style of governance would work with a different, more submissive culture, like China. But in the US, we're far too individualistic for your style to have even moderate success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Idealist View Post
    Should MDMA/Ecstacy be legalized, or should it remain illegal?
    No.

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    Look, if drugs are illegal, then...

    1: Their content can't be regulated.
    2: People with drug problems will be much less likely to seek help.
    3: We can't tax those drugs nor do they directly add to the legitimate economy in any way.
    4: They do cost us a ton of resources to seize, not just in terms of money, but specifically things like police force and prison space.
    5: They fund criminal organizations probably more than anything else.

    If we decriminalize them, what's the benefit? The benefit has to be so great that it more than makes up for the losses I just listed above. I cannot think of any at all. It won't even lower the rate that people take drugs, apparently. So what do you have, some purely symbolic moral victory to compensate you for all that blood and treasure?
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    Ecstacy don't need to be taxed or regulated either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    Ecstacy don't need to be taxed or regulated either.
    Why not? There are many incidents of people ingesting the product, only to find out that it isn't even ecstasy.

    Now, a regulated product at least has some guarantee that it actually is what it is.

    For example, when I want to drink milk I can check the milk container to see what ingredients it contains. When you buy a pill on a black market, the guarantee is largely nonexistent.

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    I agree with the "decriminalize it all" sentiment.

    Funny thing is, if you did this then pooled all the endless cash we're dumping into this alleged "War on Drugs", you could likely put fully staffed rehab and detox clinics (private sector, of course) in every major city to deal with the real problem vs. the substance itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    Look, if drugs are illegal, then...

    1: Their content can't be regulated.
    2: People with drug problems will be much less likely to seek help.
    3: We can't tax those drugs nor do they directly add to the legitimate economy in any way.
    4: They do cost us a ton of resources to seize, not just in terms of money, but specifically things like police force and prison space.
    5: They fund criminal organizations probably more than anything else.

    If we decriminalize them, what's the benefit? The benefit has to be so great that it more than makes up for the losses I just listed above. I cannot think of any at all. It won't even lower the rate that people take drugs, apparently. So what do you have, some purely symbolic moral victory to compensate you for all that blood and treasure?
    Decriminalising them is not the same as legalisation.

    I could see either decriminalising or legalisation legitimising a number of suppliers who're seriously vicious criminal elements, like Capone in the prohibition era or Pablo the cocaine trafficker in Killing Pablo, its not a matter of starting from scratch. A little like how the neo-liberal ideology is anti-trust or anti-corporate in theory, since competition voids monopoly, although in practice it is objectively pan or pro-corporatism.

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    If it can be shown that reducing the price and increasing the available does not lead to an excessive increase in dependency, then legalizing all drugs would be a great way to take business away from the criminal elements.

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    I don't see any hardcore drug like MDMA, cocaine, heroin, or LSD being legalized. Even though the government would be manufacturing the product safely, the product itself is too harmful for consumption. Even if that was regulated consumption. It would open the government up to lawsuits for overdoses, side affects and the consequences of addiction. Just look at Fosamax and the lawsuits that have come from prescription drugs. It would not work.
    Decriminalization is another matter.
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    Prohibition is one of the silliest ideas humans have ever come up with

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