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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Idealist View Post
    True, but rather than make hard-core drugs like mth or crack available to the public I'd be in favor or rehab clinics as an alternative to imprisonment.
    I'm not sure if you knew this but meth and cocaine are already available to the public. Almost anyone with sufficient desire can get hooked up in under an hour. Prohibition has been a failure.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Legalize.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I'm not sure if you knew this but meth and cocaine are already available to the public. Almost anyone with sufficient desire can get hooked up in under an hour. Prohibition has been a failure.
    Doesn't mean that it should be sold through legal channels though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I'm not sure if you knew this but meth and cocaine are already available to the public. Almost anyone with sufficient desire can get hooked up in under an hour. Prohibition has been a failure.
    Doesn't mean that it should be sold through legal channels though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xisnotx View Post
    That actually supports my position.
    If there isn't evidence that the law even matters when it comes to drugs then it becomes more about what position society should take in response to drugs, as reflected in its legislature.

    Rationally, society can either say "we support all drugs", "we don't support any drugs", or "we support some drugs, here's why". As a collective, those are the only three responses possible. I've argued one is dangerously flawed and of the other two, one is more appropriate.
    You have to use some pretty convoluted reasoning to reach your conclusion. It also requires the premise that something not being illegal means the government or society supports it. I do not agree with that premise. Plenty of behaviors are legal that are still frowned upon by society. For example, showing up to work drunk can get you fired even though drinking is legal.

    "Prohibition leads to violence."-So people are going to start killing people because they can't get a fix? And this is an argument for a positive response to drugs?Again, my issue isn't with drug dependance. My position assumes drug dependance is a given. My issue is with society's response to drug use. If idiots want to waste their life on drugs then, in my opinion, that's their perogative. My position actually supports this, practically speaking. (I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't say I supported some measure of experimentation.) However, it puts the decision of drug use in a would be drug users hands' and focuses instead on limiting the use of drugs through an outright and consistent condemnation of any cognitive altering substance.
    /facepalm Al Capone says hello. Pablo Escobar says hello. Black markets are violent. Prohibition creates a black market. Hence, prohibition promotes violence. Hopefully you can understand this incredibly simple concept.

    As for the rest of your post...what? You sound like you haven't actually thought this through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Idealist View Post
    Doesn't mean that it should be sold through legal channels though.
    Why not? If drugs are sold by law-abiding citizens, we can actually try to stop drugs from being sold to children. People operating in black markets don't care about rules.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    You have to use some pretty convoluted reasoning to reach your conclusion. It also requires the premise that something not being illegal means the government or society supports it. I do not agree with that premise. Plenty of behaviors are legal that are still frowned upon by society. For example, showing up to work drunk can get you fired even though drinking is legal.


    /facepalm Al Capone says hello. Pablo Escobar says hello. Black markets are violent. Prohibition creates a black market. Hence, prohibition promotes violence. Hopefully you can understand this incredibly simple concept.

    As for the rest of your post...what? You sound like you haven't actually thought this through.
    Umm...
    1. If you assent to the immorality of drug use then the question becomes "how do we go about enforcing the illegality of drug use". To which an apropriate would address your violence concernss.
    2. It's called govern-ance for a reason. And that reason makes your equation of society and government flawed.

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