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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    That means that he did'nt respect the contract. So he is punished. Simple. We don't need laws wich arbitrary dictate how a pizza must be.
    There is no medium to punish a person who sells ecstasy-which-isn't-really-ecstasy. The contract is invalid because the substance is illegal and unregulated

    One can be punished for selling ecstasy

    There is currently no organization, formal or informal, which can guarantee that the ecstasy product is actually ecstasy

    Do you see now why regulation could be very useful?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    There is no medium to punish a person who sells ecstasy-which-isn't-really-ecstasy. The contract is invalid because the substance is illegal and unregulated

    One can be punished for selling ecstasy

    There is currently no organization, formal or informal, which can guarantee that the ecstasy product is actually ecstasy

    Do you see now why regulation could be very useful?
    I live in France, dude, and 100 years ago, if someone sold a cheese with poison, he was punished. We did'nt need European Union or USA administraton to regulate the size of the hole of the cheese. It's the same for ecstasy, just legalize it but don't regulate it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    i'm not saying anything as definitive as all that. i'm saying it's certainly not something most people should have to be around so a separate sort of place..like a seedy bar might be more appropriate....something easy for others to avoid.
    I'm sure some cities and states will treat them as strictly as they treat strip clubs, if not more strictly. That's something for the people in each city and state to decide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    I live in France, dude, and 100 years ago, if someone sold a cheese with poison, he was punished. We did'nt need European Union or USA administraton to regulate the size of the hole of the cheese. It's the same for ecstasy, just legalize it but don't regulate it.
    If it were legal, it would be regulated like any other product

    Can you name one product which is not regulated?

    You said it yourself, if a person sold a cheese with poison, he would be punished

    That is regulation

    Prove me wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    If it were legal, it would be regulated like any other product

    Can you name one product which is not regulated?
    Every products were unregulated in the 16th century. That dpes'nt mean that poison was legal. There were not regulation on cheese or wine in the 1900s. That does'nt mean that poison was legal. the first produced cars were not regulated, if we had started to regulate how a car must be before it had been invented, it would never had been invented.

    You said it yourself, if a person sold a cheese with poison, he would be punished

    That is regulation

    Prove me wrong
    A common acceptation of what a cheese is is not a regulation about what a cheese must be.

    That's it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    A comlmon acceptation of what a cheese is is not a regulation about what a cheese must be.

    That's it.
    False

    Determining what cheese is is, quite definitively, regulation of cheese

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    False

    Determining what cheese is is, quite definitively, regulation of cheese
    No.

    There's a common acceptation of what a tree is, or of what is a cloud. There's not regulation which says what a cloud must be. However, there's regulations who said what size the tree in your garden must have. This is regulation. We don't need that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    No.

    There's a common acceptation of what a tree is, or of what is a cloud. There's not regulation which says what a cloud must be. However, there's regulations who said what size the tree in your garden must have. This is regulation. We don't need that.
    Right, we also don't need regulation on paint. I mean, if people want to use lead paint on children's toys to save money, parents will figure it out when they test it in their home chemistry laboratory every parent has in their basement. Let the market decide!

    More seriously, civilization has become infinitely more complex in the last hundred years due to our technological advancement. 100 years ago, fewer regulations were needed. Today, it is simply not possible for any consumer to have all the information necessary to make an informed choice without the aid of regulatory agencies. People depend on these regulatory agencies to set rules for products, otherwise everyone would need advanced degrees in chemistry, physics, medicine, engineering, etc just to be able to determine if a product is actually safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    No.

    There's a common acceptation of what a tree is, or of what is a cloud. There's not regulation which says what a cloud must be. However, there's regulations who said what size the tree in your garden must have. This is regulation. We don't need that.
    You have just defeated your own argument. By determining what is a tree and what is not a tree, we have created a system by which we can measure the object in question. If it is not a tree, then we cannot call it a tree. If it is a tree, we can call it a tree.

    Similar regulations are used for foods, beverages, and medications. We could state, for example, that if an ibuprofen tablet contains contaminants, it is not ibuprofen, but instead a contaminated substance which cannot be sold to a consumer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    You have just defeated your own argument. By determining what is a tree and what is not a tree, we have created a system by which we can measure the object in question. If it is not a tree, then we cannot call it a tree. If it is a tree, we can call it a tree.
    Do you think the the prehistoric men neeed regulations to have a common acceptation of what a tree is?

    Ridiculous.
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