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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    A supply-side difference. Full legalization is actually better than just decriminalization because then you're also kicking the drug cartels out of the business. There is no drug cartel on the planet that can even come close to competing with a company like Wal-Mart, so fears of people like Pablo Escobar becoming more powerful (due to legalization) are pretty ridiculous.
    walmart tho? are you kidding me? if it were ever to be legalized i would want it to be in some sort of drug den establishment. like a bar but for drug users and no crazy needles or people smoking meth off of foil or whatever...i mean that whole visual is way too yuck but maybe they can get some sort of pill or drink concoction. they'll just have to get used to a new method...i mean really...would they complain that much...if they were able to do it legally. everything could be put in a pill or liquid form couldn't it? pretty much?

    but the pot smokers should be allowed to smoke regular style....and they should let people smoke cigarettes in there too and not let them drive home...how the hell would that work? i have no idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    walmart tho? are you kidding me? if it were ever to be legalized i would want it to be in some sort of drug den establishment. like a bar but for drug users and no crazy needles or people smoking meth off of foil or whatever...i mean that whole visual is way too yuck but maybe they can get some sort of pill or drink concoction. they'll just have to get used to a new method...i mean really...would they complain that much...if they were able to do it legally. everything could be put in a pill or liquid form couldn't it? pretty much?
    I think Wal-mart has the money to comply with whatever regulations the government may institute. If that means Wal-Mart has to open up "drug dens", I think they can afford it. My original point stands. A company like Wal-Mart will blow any cartel out of the water.

    but the pot smokers should be allowed to smoke regular style....and they should let people smoke cigarettes in there too and not let them drive home...how the hell would that work? i have no idea.
    What do bars and restaurants that serve alcohol do? People are really over-complicating this issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    walmart tho? are you kidding me? if it were ever to be legalized i would want it to be in some sort of drug den establishment. like a bar but for drug users and no crazy needles or people smoking meth off of foil or whatever...i mean that whole visual is way too yuck but maybe they can get some sort of pill or drink concoction. they'll just have to get used to a new method...i mean really...would they complain that much...if they were able to do it legally. everything could be put in a pill or liquid form couldn't it? pretty much?

    but the pot smokers should be allowed to smoke regular style....and they should let people smoke cigarettes in there too and not let them drive home...how the hell would that work? i have no idea.
    In many American cities, we sell alcohol, caffeine, aspirin, acetaminophen, and nicotine in gas stations and convenience stores as well as big-box stores like Wal-Mart

    Why would other legal substances require special areas for distribution or sale?

    Legalization would clearly not require the use of a pharmacy or other formal distributor, otherwise we would use these for existing OTC and recreational substances

    Public intoxication and impaired driving would remain misdemeanors, naturally, so I really cannot understand how you feel this way. If anything, confining people to "dens" would only exacerbate the incidence rate of these associated offenses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    In many American cities, we sell alcohol, caffeine, aspirin, acetaminophen, and nicotine in gas stations and convenience stores as well as big-box stores like Wal-Mart

    Why would other legal substances require special areas for distribution or sale?
    Being able to buy whiskey and a shotgun at one store is fine, but marijuana too? That's going too far!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I think Wal-mart has the money to comply with whatever regulations the government may institute. If that means Wal-Mart has to open up "drug dens", I think they can afford it. My original point stands. A company like Wal-Mart will blow any cartel out of the water.


    What do bars and restaurants that serve alcohol do? People are really over-complicating this issue.
    well maybe...but i'm thinking one can meet for a glass of wine and be fine to drive home...but taking a bit of heroin maybe not so much??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    well maybe...but i'm thinking one can meet for a glass of wine and be fine to drive home...but taking a bit of heroin maybe not so much??
    I don't understand your point. Are you saying heroin shouldn't be legalized because it would be inappropriate to sell at Chili's?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I don't understand your point. Are you saying heroin shouldn't be legalized because it would be inappropriate to sell at Chili's?
    i'm not saying anything as definitive as all that. i'm saying it's certainly not something most people should have to be around so a separate sort of place..like a seedy bar might be more appropriate....something easy for others to avoid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    Why not? There are many incidents of people ingesting the product, only to find out that it isn't even ecstasy.

    Now, a regulated product at least has some guarantee that it actually is what it is.

    For example, when I want to drink milk I can check the milk container to see what ingredients it contains. When you buy a pill on a black market, the guarantee is largely nonexistent.
    It's more a matter of respect of the contract and of the client's expecations. When I buy a pizza, I want a pizza, and the seller must sell me a pizza to respect the contract but there were common acception of what is and what contains a pizza before was produced laws. If clients prefer to be informed, private compagnies will prefer to be informe them, so they could get an advantage in comparaison with the concurence. Ecstazy don't need more to be regulated by laws than the size of the hole in the cheeze.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    It's more a matter of respect of the contract and of the client's expecations. When I buy a pizza, I want a pizza, and the seller must sell me a pizza to respect the contract but there were common acception of what is and what contains a pizza before was produced laws. If clients prefer to be informed, private compagnies will prefer to be informe them, so they could get an advantage in comparaison with the concurence. Ecstazy don't need more to be regulated by laws than the size of the hole in the cheeze.
    What would happen if you were sold pizza, but after you pay for it, you find out that it is actually not pizza, but instead a harmful chemical that should not be ingested.

    If you ingested this harmful substance, would you feel wronged? Or would you feel that this was perfectly acceptable?

    Is it so wrong to want some measure of guarantee that when I purchase a substance, the pills that I am eating are actually what they are supposed to be?

    Is it wrong of me to feel this way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    What would happen if you were sold pizza, but after you pay for it, you find out that it is actually not pizza, but instead a harmful chemical that should not be ingested.
    That means that he did'nt respect the contract. So he is punished. Simple. We don't need laws wich arbitrary dictate how a pizza must be.


    Is it so wrong to want some measure of guarantee that when I purchase a substance, the pills that I am eating are actually what they are supposed to be?
    The measure of guarantee is the reputation of the seller and the efficiency of police and justice, not regulating laws.

    Is it wrong of me to feel this way?
    You are simply a socialist who need a bureaucracy, it's wrong, but it's normal.
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