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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    If he is insane, he should be treated as such. If the treatment for insane murderers is inadequate, it should be revised. But to declare him sane just because the consequences of regarding him as insane are undesirable is, well, not just.
    In theory, I agree with you. In practice and with innocent lives at stake, I think some form of pragmatic application such as confined for life for the safety of the populace, needs to be considered. It is possible that any psychiatric evaluations would ensure that he never get out since once off meds and in hiding, if he's a paranoid schizophrenic, he poses a danger to the public.

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    They have enough time to implement the necessary laws and regulations to keep him locked up as long as he needs to be. Somehow I doubt the Norwegians want him free any more than the rest of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    They have enough time to implement the necessary laws and regulations to keep him locked up as long as he needs to be. Somehow I doubt the Norwegians want him free any more than the rest of the world.
    Retroactive laws? Since when?

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    Laws and regulations on what to do with people who are up for re-evaluation of their mental health and such. I imagine they can be changed before he is even convicted.

    I am not even convinced that what is now in place is indeed insufficient. Someone might have thought of the possibility of such a case when they came up with their laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Laws and regulations on what to do with people who are up for re-evaluation of their mental health and such. I imagine they can be changed before he is even convicted.
    Laws don't change that quickly and retroactive laws aren't very common since they have the possibility of impacting on other incarcerated individuals. In creating retroactive laws, they can potentially leave themselves open to tort suits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    Laws don't change that quickly and retroactive laws aren't very common since they have the possibility of impacting on other incarcerated individuals. In creating retroactive laws, they can potentially leave themselves open to tort suits.
    I believe insane people get different treatment in this aspect. The reason is that in their case laws are made to protect them (instead of punishing).
    Protective laws can and should retroact.


    Edit: Actually, I think I'm wrong here. But I believe he would easily get killed in case he gets out of jail too soon, which makes imprisonment a sort of protection in his case.
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    A man creates. A parasite says, 'What will the neighbors think?'
    A man invents. A parasite says, 'Watch out, or you might tread on the toes of God... '


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    Laws don't change that quickly and retroactive laws aren't very common since they have the possibility of impacting on other incarcerated individuals. In creating retroactive laws, they can potentially leave themselves open to tort suits.
    I am not sure how it actually works, but I thought they may be able to change a law before his is convicted and then apply the new law to him. Maybe a changed standard for the re-evaluation of mental health applies to every case equally, regardless of when the person was convicted. It is merely guessing.

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    Once again, laws don't change that quickly, at least in any form of democratically or quasi-democratically governed country. In the case of Norway, laws are created and then have to pass parliamentary approval, prior to enactment.

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    His trial will begin in five months and will itself presumably last for several months. Also, an evaluation standard may be changed faster than a law, and a law may be changed faster than usual if there is urgency. But it is fruitless to speculate. I am not interested enough to research the details. Are you?

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    This guy and guys like him are why, AS A SOCIALIST, I'm opposed to gun control, people got to be fit to defend themselves and its the only thing that's worked, its the only thing which will ever work.

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