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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Idealist View Post
    I really hate fucking stories like these, they make shake with anger and feel an unpleasent pain in my gut. And that list of all those sex offender tales? Disgusting, unjust, insane, tyrannical, moronic, pathetic, awful, nightmarish, idiotic, terrifying, and madness.

    Now that said, the problem with these stories is how often do they occur next to actually severe sex crimes, statistically speaking? I mean these problems do need to be fixed, there needs to be changes to the system to ensure that events like these hardly ever occur if never. But the reason such stories make news is because the lunacy of them excites anger and wrath at the system; it protrays the problem as something that is more common than it really is, which is of course the aim of news networks (Hey lets post this tragic story and get lots of ratings!). So for all I know, such instances might actually be less of an occurence then what they really are; that isn't to say that the problems should be ignored is the frequency of them is rare, just for the sake of attaining all relevant information it's good to know everything. Does anyone possess or know of any data that would confirm the objective occurence of sex offender crimes gone wrong?
    that's about the same response I had (pretty sure it's connected with Fi). nothing makes me wanna start chopping heads like an innocent child being subjected to bureaucratic tyranny
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    that's about the same response I had (pretty sure it's connected with Fi). nothing makes me wanna start chopping heads like an innocent child being subjected to bureaucratic tyranny
    Damn straight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    in this case, definitely, but my point was
    a) the general trend of is much more dangerous
    the government lists a 6 year old as a sex offender: bad
    the government has the ability to list 6 year olds as sex offenders: 1,000 times worse.

    b) few people see the forest because they ignore the trees or the trees aren't brought to attention. for instance, this particular tree (the government putting a 6 year old on the registered sex offender list) will probably not get anywhere near the press it deserves as it is an isolated occurrence. it's like a leak in a dam, people don't tend to notice until the dam bursts. it's quite unfortunate really
    I dont believe that sex offences should be ignored or that the solutions other than what you are criticising have succeeded in remedying this particular problem so far, dont you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    that's about the same response I had (pretty sure it's connected with Fi). nothing makes me wanna start chopping heads like an innocent child being subjected to bureaucratic tyranny
    It is unfortunate that you project your own fears and fantasies, in this instance struggles with bureaucratic tyranny, into the scenario and experience a strong feeling response because its pretty much neutralised your proper judging or critical faculties. On the other hand it could teach you something about yourself since it is yourself who is experiencing that and mainly you its effecting.

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    I dunno, but I think I'd be laughing, not freaking out and charging the kid (or kid's parent's), and use the opportunity to explain the difference between good touching and bad touching, and what's socially appropriate to my child. Have people gone absolutely bat shit crazy? Kids are curious. That shouldn't be used for political agendas, and really, what could a politician possibly gain from destroying a seven year old's life? Hell's bells, his daughter probably put him up to it.
    It's such a strange reaction, you have to wonder about the politician and his attitude to sex. A couple of secrets in that closet I bet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrcockburn View Post
    I had a dog once, and it tried to hump my niece (she was 4 at the time). She didn't push the dog off (I did). So one could theoretically charge her for consenting to bestiality.

    Is the OP serious?
    I dont know about the OP, I'd have to read it and outside of work I dont do that very much, although your own story makes an important point.

    When adults witness something what appears age inappropriate among children it can be an indication that they have been subject to abuse, or simply neglect, maybe they've watched the porn or late night TV which a lousy carer has left on the TV and decided to "play" this out rather than power rangers or whatever.

    Whether they have been abused or not or whatever the cause, like you mentioned about your niece and your dog, you wouldnt expect the child to know what to do, an adult should intervene. An adult response will be warranted, usually better supervision, better care.

    Sure children are curious and sure they could engage in innocent enough physical play or "show me yours and I'll show you mine" but that's in a different order of things and with the amount of other things in life and childhood to be occupied with I see no harm at all in diverting them off that track or to something more appropriate.

    Not just because of the, I consider correct in most instance, attention of the authorities, or any conscientious adult, but because the later they are having to deal with how much of a swamp of confusion, despair and disorder adults have made sex the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrystalViolet View Post
    I dunno, but I think I'd be laughing, not freaking out and charging the kid (or kid's parent's), and use the opportunity to explain the difference between good touching and bad touching, and what's socially appropriate to my child. Have people gone absolutely bat shit crazy? Kids are curious. That shouldn't be used for political agendas, and really, what could a politician possibly gain from destroying a seven year old's life? Hell's bells, his daughter probably put him up to it.
    It's such a strange reaction, you have to wonder about the politician and his attitude to sex. A couple of secrets in that closet I bet.
    I've highlighted where I think you're right, I dont think I'd be laughing or freaking out, its a better idea to appear like you're in control when you're an adult dealing with a child and I'm just not sure I'd find it funny, not being accusitory or anything, just a difference of personality maybe.

    Anyway, that would be a good response you've mentioned, in most instances. Although I'd suspend judgement until I knew more about this individual case.

    I've heard about some truly shocking cases from northern ireland and england of children subject to truly terrible things when the neighbourhood bully has become interested in sexual behaviour as opposed to verbal or physical assaults which constitute the regular or typical behaviour of bullies.

    I know of one in which the bully didnt discriminate between male or female victims and victimised upwards of six other children, bribing some with money or sweets, only being discovered when one of his earlier victims was about to move away from the locality and disclosed what had happened to his parents because he was worried something like it could happen to any children moving in. None of the new victims where telling their parents or adults about what had happened to them as people might suppose. What shocked me was the knowledge of how difficult it is for adults to process incidents like that and given the numbers if it was like an entire neighbourhood or community taking a psychological hit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I've highlighted where I think you're right, I dont think I'd be laughing or freaking out, its a better idea to appear like you're in control when you're an adult dealing with a child and I'm just not sure I'd find it funny, not being accusitory or anything, just a difference of personality maybe.

    Anyway, that would be a good response you've mentioned, in most instances. Although I'd suspend judgement until I
    knew more about this individual case.
    I've heard about some truly shocking cases from northern ireland and england of children subject to truly terrible things when the neighbourhood bully has become interested in sexual behaviour as opposed to verbal or physical assaults which
    constitute the regular or typical behaviour of bullies

    I know of one in which the bully didnt discriminate between male or female victims
    and victimised upwards of six other children, bribing some with money or sweets,
    only being discovered when one of his earlier victims was about to move away from
    the locality and disclosed what had happened to his parents because he was
    worried something like it could happen to any children moving in. None of the
    new victims where telling their parents or adults about what had happened to the
    as people might suppose. What shocked me was the knowledge of how difficult it is for adults to process incidents like that and given the numbers if it was like an
    entire neighbourhood or community taking a psychological hit.
    Reading the op's articles, it was presented as a pretty innocent situation. More physical play, than anything ominous. I think that it's important to note that the boy was indicated to have an intellectual disability. I agree there are some pretty horrible examples out there of childhood sexual abuse, and bullying, but as I understand it, I don't think this situation was an example of that. The poor boy center of it seems have been pretty traumatized by ensuing events, so I
    think in this case in particular, the boy's parents have a point in that things have
    been taken one step too far, and not handled well.
    I think we are on the same page though. As for the laughing, I dunno, it just struck me as a little absurd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrystalViolet View Post
    Reading the op's articles, it was presented as a pretty innocent situation. More physical play, than anything ominous. I think that it's important to note that the boy was indicated to have an intellectual disability. I agree there are some pretty horrible examples out there of childhood sexual abuse, and bullying, but as I understand it, I don't think this situation was an example of that. The poor boy center of it seems have been pretty traumatized by ensuing events, so I
    think in this case in particular, the boy's parents have a point in that things have
    been taken one step too far, and not handled well.
    I think we are on the same page though. As for the laughing, I dunno, it just struck me as a little absurd.
    Well, it'd be a good thing if it leads to improved practice in dealing with the same sort of thing again, on the other hand it wouldnt be a good thing if it is used as a string in the bow of those arguing for reductions in or no response at all to reports of concerning behaviour, which it will, unfortunately.

    Its unfortunate that the child in question was intellectually challenged, its also unfortunate that there's possibly been trauma involved in the impact of the investigation, although those things are surely to be prefered to either leaving the situation uninvestigated altogether or either responses which could've been more summary or unjust.

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