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    Question HIV+ Presidential Candidate: Would you elect him/her?

    Please share your reasons for why you would/wouldn't elect someone to presidential office in this light. Also, what medical conditions would be gamechangers for you as a voter?
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    My understanding is someone with HIV can live 40 years post diagnosis.


    I tend to feel like there needs to be a barrier between a politician's personal life and his political life. I don't think his medical conditions or intimate personal life should be on the table for discussion. I feel like that about all public figures, athletes, etc.


    Otherwise, where do we stop? No one can live up to that kind of scrutiny, and I don't they should have to. If they have met the basic qualifications, let the voters speak with their votes.
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    I would not care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    My understanding is someone with HIV can live 40 years post diagnosis.


    I tend to feel like there needs to be a barrier between a politician's personal life and his political life. I don't think his medical conditions or intimate personal life should be on the table for discussion. I feel like that about all public figures, athletes, etc.


    Otherwise, where do we stop? No one can live up to that kind of scrutiny, and I don't they should have to. If they have met the basic qualifications, let the voters speak with their votes.
    It's irrelevant to public interest even if it's a mental or neurologically deleterious condition?
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    It depends upon the progress of the condition. If the candidate can complete the term without the condition adversely affecting performance, why not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by iwakar View Post
    It's irrelevant to public interest even if it's a mental or neurologically deleterious condition?

    I would hope that someone at the extreme upper levels of government would be voluntarily transparent, and I think the public encourages this. I personally would not discriminate based on a medical condition, if I liked the candidate. I would also hope that someone who has made it that far (as to be elected for pres) would be ethical in that if they felt like they had a condition that would conflict with being president, they would step down.

    I'm good with the current basic requirements for president.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    I would hope that someone at the extreme upper levels of government would be voluntarily transparent, and I think the public encourages this. I personally would not discriminate based on a medical condition, if I liked the candidate. I would also hope that someone who has made it that far (as to be elected for pres) would be ethical in that if they felt like they had a condition that would conflict with being president, they would step down.

    I'm good with the current basic requirements for president.
    Okay, voluntarily transparent...I gotta turn that one down. Trust is for fools. And trusting a politician? Hahahahahaha. No. The public doesn't have to know the details, but someone does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Okay, voluntarily transparent...I gotta turn that one down. Trust is for fools. And trusting a politician? Hahahahahaha. No. The public doesn't have to know the details, but someone does.
    And who would that be? Like they wouldn't be corrupted as well?

    I think if transparency is something the public needs, they'll demand it and won't be happy with anything less. If a candidate then fails in that, people won't trust him and/or vote for him.

    I'd rather it be a supply/demand voluntary thing than a heavy-handed demanded thing. The former encourages integrity. The latter deviancy.

    Perhaps that is my NF naivete, perhaps not. If we don't hold ourselves to a higher standard, and demand it of our leaders, won't we slip into a downward entropy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    And who would that be? Like they wouldn't be corrupted as well?

    I think if transparency is something the public needs, they'll demand it and won't be happy with anything less. If a candidate then fails in that, people won't trust him and/or vote for him.

    I'd rather it be a supply/demand voluntary thing than a heavy-handed demanded thing. The former encourages integrity. The latter deviancy.

    Perhaps that is my NF naivete, perhaps not. If we don't hold ourselves to a higher standard, and demand it of our leaders, won't we slip into a downward entropy?
    Yeah, I think you're being naive.

    The public demands shows like American Idol and has the attention span of a 2 year old. I don't have any faith in it. And even when the public demands something, we still get served a shit sandwich (see the Dodd-Frank bill). No, you have to be forceful with people who want to be in a position of power. If you're not, they'll take advantage of you. Politicians aren't like normal people. A far greater percentage of them are psychopaths than the general public.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Yeah, I think you're being naive.

    The public demands shows like American Idol and has the attention span of a 2 year old. I don't have any faith in it. And even when the public demands something, we still get served a shit sandwich (see the Dodd-Frank bill). No, you have to be forceful with people who want to be in a position of power. If you're not, they'll take advantage of you. Politicians aren't like normal people. A far greater percentage of them are psychopaths than the general public.
    Agreed.


    Yes, but Americans are also highly intelligent, industrious, and inventive entrepreneurs. Good and appropriate Mr Smith candidates cannot fight the fight and win because the system is set up around money, power, and prestige. Which favors perhaps a more dishonest lot, though I'd have to disagree about them being psychopaths.

    I'm hoping the internet shifts things and makes for a more level playing field for presidential hopefuls, and other government officials even at the state level.

    But I refuse to let cynicism sway me, and to let the torch of integrity be stuffed into the broom closet because of the dark days we are currently experiencing in our political and economic climate.
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