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    Can you say "cover up" kids?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sp...tery.html?_r=1

    One of the questions surrounding the sex-abuse case against Jerry Sandusky is why a former district attorney chose not to prosecute the then-Penn State assistant coach in 1998 after reports surfaced that he had inappropriate interactions with a boy.

    The answer is unknowable because of an unsolved mystery: What happened to Ray Gricar, the Centre County, Pa., district attorney?

    Gricar went missing in April 2005. The murky circumstances surrounding his disappearance — an abandoned car, a laptop recovered months later in a river without a hard drive, his body was never found — have spawned Web sites, television programs and conspiracy theories. More than six years later, the police still receive tips and reports of sightings. The police in central Pennsylvania continue to investigate even though Gricar’s daughter, Lara, successfully petitioned in July to have her father declared legally dead so the family could find some closure and begin dividing his estate.

    Yet as the Sandusky investigation moves forward, questions will be asked anew about why Gricar did not pursue charges against him 13 years ago. A small but strident minority believes Gricar did not want to tackle a case that involved a hometown icon. Others who knew and worked with Gricar say he was a meticulous, independent and tough-minded prosecutor who was unbowed by Penn State, its football program and political pressure in general.

    “No one got a bye with Ray,” said Anthony De Boef, who worked as an assistant district attorney under Gricar for five years. “He didn’t care who you were; he had a job to do.”
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    Just when you thought the Penn State child sex-abuse scandal couldn’t possibly get any worse, we may have just scratched the surface. Joe Paterno being fired could be just the start of arguably the biggest downfall in the history of college athletics.

    Pittsburgh radio personality Mark Madden, who penned a column for the Beaver County Times back in April of this year named “Sandusky a State secret,” a column which foreshadowed the recent scandal which has absolutely gutted those of us in the Penn State family, was a guest on the Dennis & Callahan Morning Show on WEEI sports talk radio out of Boston on Thursday morning. During his appearance, Madden, who has been mostly right regarding this issue from the very start, dropped what can only be called a bombshell, an announcement which could mean far more than the end of Joe Paterno’s career.

    Madden stated that two “prominent columnists” are currently investigating a rumor that Jerry Sandusky’s Second Mile Foundation, a non-profit organization aimed to serve underprivileged youths, was “pimping out young boys to rich (Penn State) donors.” Madden went on to say that Jerry Sandusky was told by those running the show at Penn State football that Sandusky had to retire after allegations made in 1998 that the defensive coordinator was guilty of “improper conduct with an underage male.” Sandusky, thought by some to be Joe Paterno’s successor at the time, abruptly and somewhat shockingly retired from coaching in 1999.

    It actually gets worse. Madden went on to say “When Sandusky quit, everybody knew; not just at Penn State. It was a very poorly kept secret around college football, in general. That is why he never coached in college football again and retired at the relatively young age of 55, young for a coach.” Madden also called the Second Mile Foundation “the perfect cover” for Sandusky’s scheme.
    tl;dr version is several rich and powerful men payed good money to fuck underage boys. Now that the ring leader of their operation is going down they risk going down with him and will do everything in their power to stop that.

    Expect lots of disappearances and "suicides" surrounding this case.
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    This whole thing is completely disgusting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Critical Hit View Post
    Expect lots of disappearances and "suicides" surrounding this case.
    Exactly.

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    If you really want to get disgusted by the whole concept.... Watch this. It's tough to watch. Includes many interviews with victims and the man who did it who discusses the whole thing like it was was a shoplifting problem or something.

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    The film chronicles the case of Catholic priest Oliver O'Grady, who served in several parishes in California in the 1970s and 1980s and committed hundreds of sexual acts against the children he was serving to allegedly protect. The damage this man inflicted is unfathomable, and this went on for decades before he was caught by authorities, served some time, and eventually deported back to Ireland.

    The movie interviews several of the victims, the parents, O' Grady himself, and delves into the coverup and denial by the Vatican itself. This is one of the most troubling and haunting movies I have ever seen.

    O' Grady consistently manages to smile and smirk throughout the film in regards to his attraction to young boys and girls. This was a trusted man in his community who, according to this movie, continually plotted and carried out sexual abuse.

    Near the end of the movie, O' Grady is speaking to the camera and says in regards to the whole ordeal:

    What we needed to do as a church is acknowledge our good days and our bad days. Our good times and our bad times. Somehow we always seem to look back and say, 'There were dark moments in our history and we'd rather not dwell on them' in a poetic way, you see? And that's very nice. But it's not reality.
    "What I'd like to hear us say is, 'You know, we had one heck of an awful time there in the Middle Ages. But you know what, we're still here.' And that's the point if the church could see it."

    He was serious when he said this.

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    You can watch the entire documentary Here.
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    [YOUTUBE="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggxiBWv4xYE"]Conspiracy of Silence[/YOUTUBE]

    Might as well repost this. Its a documentary that was almost destroyed in a very blatant cover up, its about a child sex ring involving several high ranking members of the Republican Party. Funny thing, the more you probe in to this story the more you see Papa Bush's name pop up. His name pops up in the Penn state controversy quite a bit as well. Read in to that what you will.
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    One of the key lessons I have learned from studying this recently is that this happens EVERYWHERE, so let's please not let this turn into a political discussion. This is happening right now in places and by people you would least likely suspect. Coverups are more likely anytime there is a powerful institution involved and the govt most certainly qualifies there, but there is nothing unique about it The same thing happen even in families. People are reluctant to report or even contemplate the idea of a family member being involved, so suspicions and evidence get ignored and rationalized away.

    Here is a great article on it:

    http://www.chicagonow.com/south-side...andal-part-ii/

    The Silence of Collusion is Deafening: Penn State Scandal, Part II

    When I was working on my research for my PhD. at Loyola University of Chicago, I studied families who were court-ordered for molestation and abuse of their children. They received therapy for a minimum of one year, in a suburban agency, specializing in this issue.

    Several of the teenagers, who were molested by their fathers or step-fathers, all reported: they held their mothers, their own mothers, just as responsible for the sexual abuse. “How so?” I asked. One 16 yr. old teen looked at me with anger and said, “Because she colluded. They all colluded.”

    My eyes said it all. I wanted more information, but didn’t have the words. My mind was racing. Motherhood. I was a Mother. My friends were mothers. I had a Mother. My sister was a Mother. My 12 aunts were mothers.

    I knew all the Mothers on my block at 89th and Clyde. Mrs. Rubicek had me over for cookies after Bobby Rubicek and I played ball together. Mrs. Schechter had me over for roasted chicken when my parents weren’t home. Mrs. Zilokowski made the best blueberry pancakes when I slept over at Lynette’s house.

    I sat in silence, and they spoke up, one by one.

    Teen Girl, age 16: “My Dad slipped into my bed at night, pulled down his pajamas, and rubbed his penis on me till “he came.” And that was when I was 8 yrs. old. He did it till I got to 7th grade. And then he stopped.”

    “So how do you think your Mom would know?" I queried.

    “She did the laundry. And she kept complaining that I went through ‘so many pairs of pajamas every week.’ I’m not dumb. That stuff from my Dad stinks and makes my pajamas get sticky and dries up – so she knew.”

    Teen Boy, age 17: My Mom worked swing shift as a waitress from 3 – 11 pm. So our step-dad put us down at night. When he read me stories at bedtime when I was 5, he came into my bed and rubbed his hands up and down my legs and fondled me everywhere. I even told my Mom that I didn’t like him reading in bed with me and touching me . She scolded me, and said I was just jealous of him because I wanted my own Daddy back. And she said I was just making things up anyway – because that’s what 5 yr. olds do.

    Teen Girl, age 15: My Dad began “eyeing me” once I got a bra. It was weird. Then I hit 8th grade & he came into my bed at least 3 -4 nights a week and felt me up, especially my breasts. I could feel him "getting hard down there." It was disgusting. But he was real nice and gentle, and said “this is the way girls and Daddy’s show their love for each other once you get to be a woman. And now I get to show you what it will be like for you when you get married. You’ll know what to do with your husband.”

    And I believed him. So one day I told my Mom about it, and she slapped me around real good. She told me to stop lying to her, and said he’d never do that – and that I’d better be a virgin when I got married, and all that. She grounded me for 3 weeks, and I missed our volleyball tournament. I was real upset and didn’t know what to tell our coach or the team. What would I say?

    Collusion. I got it. And now, you got it too.

    How many people colluded in the Penn State scandal? I’ll run it down, as reported below by the Associated Press on November 7 and 9, 2011.

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    1998 — Victim 6 is taken into the showers with Sandusky when he is 11 years old. When Victim 6 is dropped off at home, his hair is wet. His mother reports the incident to the university police, who investigate.

    Detective Ronald Schreffler testifies that he and State College Police Department Detective Ralph Ralston, with the consent of the mother of Victim 6, eavesdrop on two conversations the mother of Victim 6 has with Sandusky.

    Jerry Lauro, an investigator with the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, testifies he and Schreffler interviewed Sandusky, and that Sandusky admits showering naked with Victim 6, admits to hugging Victim 6 while in the shower and admits that it was wrong.

    The case is closed after then-Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar decides there will be no criminal charges.

    Fall 2000 — A janitor named James Calhoun observes Sandusky in the showers of the Lasch Football Building with a young boy, known as Victim 8, pinned up against the wall, performing oral sex on the boy.

    He tells other janitorial staff immediately. Fellow Office of Physical Plant employee Ronald Petrosky cleans the showers at Lasch and sees Sandusky and the boy, who he describes as being between the ages of 11 and 13.

    Calhoun tells other physical plant employees what he saw, including Jay Witherite, his immediate supervisor. Witherite tells him to whom he should report the incident. Calhoun was a temporary employee and never makes a report. Victim 8’s identity is unknown.

    March 1, 2002 —A Penn State graduate assistant enters the locker room at the Lasch Football Building. In the showers, he sees a naked boy, known as Victim 2, whose age he estimates to be 10 years old, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant tells his father immediately.

    March 2, 2002 — In the morning,the graduate assistant calls Coach Joe Paterno and goes to Paterno’s home, where he reports what he has seen.

    March 3, 2002 — Paterno calls Tim Curley, Penn State Athletic Director to his home the next day and reports a version of what the grad assistant had said.

    March 2002 — Later in the month the graduate assistant is called to a meeting with Curley and Senior Vice President for Finance and Business Gary Schultz. The grad assistant reports what he has seen and Curley and Schultz say they will look into it.

    March 27, 2002 (approximate) — The graduate assistant is never questioned by university police and no other entity conducts an investigation until the graduate assistant testifies in Grand Jury in December 2010.

    Spring 2008 — Victim 1 is a freshman in a Clinton County high school. After the boy’s mother calls the school to report sexual assault, Sandusky is barred from that school district and the matter is reported to authorities as mandated by law.

    Early 2009 —An investigation by the Pennsylvania attorney general begins when a Clinton County, Pa. teen boy tells authorities that Sandusky has inappropriately touched him several times over a four-year period.

    Nov. 5, 2011 — Sandusky is arrested and released on $100,000 bail after being arraigned on 40 criminal counts.

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    So, I count at least 14 different “authorities” who knew of the allegations of the sexual abuse performed by Sandusky, yet it took over 13 years to finally arrest him.

    When money, politics, power, college athletics, national reputation, college alumni, and Division I football makes millions for the university, a few abused boys are trumped by 409 Collegiate Football wins and TV ratings. Why bother taking any legal or moral action? Father, Where Art Thou? A line in the sand has been drawn, period.

    And as David Haugh says: Paterno deserves no pity. His Wikipedia should begin with just that. Paterno knew what was going on for 9 years, and never followed up with his one meager report.

    So let me finish by returning to the Mothers from my research, and all the Mothers whose children remain confused by their Mother's inaction of not protecting them when knowing of the abuse. In my 30 years of work, my empathy goes out to them also, since nearly all of these mothers were victims/ survivors themselves. These Moms suffered the same fate as their children, in one form or another. They had no where to go, no one to talk to, and the only way to escape their own abuse was to marry the first guy who came along at 16 yrs. old; to take them away from their own monsters.

    And for the scores of victims/ survivors of Penn State, the monster is not just Sandusky. He may be at the head of the class, but it's the multitude of the other 14 monsters who should have done their job, but didn't. It's Classless. And Deafening. And Colluding in Silence. And in this case, the Silence is Cowardly.
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    This is rich.

    Jerry Sandusky’s lawyer, Joe Amendola, got a 16-year- old client pregnant

    Joe Amendola, the State College, Pa., attorney representing accused child molester Jerry Sandusky, has an interesting back story himself: He got a teen-age client pregnant during the mid-1990s.

    Amendola, 63, married the girl several years after the birth of their child, The Daily reported Monday night, citing documents filed at the Centre County, Pa., courthouse.
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    All child molesters eyes should be gouged out, hands and genitals removed, then thrown together on an island with hungry polar bears. These stories make me incredibly ill, especially since I'm a mandated reporter and someone who works with children that have gone through this mess.

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    I think everyone should be made a mandated reporter.....

    Props to you Rockwell. That's has to be heart wrenching work.
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    I'm sure I'm not the only one reading this thread, seeing a lot of wisdom and things worth talking about, but just not having a clue what to say . . .
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