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    Insert witty line here... Ponyboy's Avatar
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    We liberals prefer Groucho Marx!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Is this supposed to be impressive political criticism?

    Most Democrats are Socialists, but don't have the balls to say so.

    They fall on the left side of the dual-axis political spectrum, the corner of which is essentially Socialism.

    You're a libertarian, and nobody has a broader definition of the word Socialist than libertarians.

    I don't very many Americans, be they registered Democrats, so-called liberals, or even people occupying Wall Street, actually have definitively socialist demands.
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    The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support of the government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities...

    The Wealth Of Nations, Book V Chapter II Pt II, v. ii, p. 825, para. 3.
    Adam Smith, obviously a communist...

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    Indeed, a flat tax makes for communism.

    Are you serious, or are you a resident jackass I haven't singled out yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by giegs View Post
    Indeed, a flat tax makes for communism.

    Are you serious, or are you a resident jackass I haven't singled out yet?
    The original poster indicated that any tax was communism, I also fail to see how reading that actual quote you reached the conclusion that Smith was talking about a flat tax. Although your totally uncalled for rudeness has convinced me you're not really interested in a discussion.

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    So, did Marx or Smith say this:

    No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable.

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    The OP is a troll. The quote itself seems to suggest a flat tax. Is the quote from Smith? All indications point towards Marx. My rudeness is like, totally called for, dude. Especially in the context of a lack of definition of terms and the complete lack of support for the title in the body.


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    You would have to be a disgusting, sadistic, greedy idiot, devoid of the slightest respect for your fellow man to not be a communist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    You're a libertarian, and nobody has a broader definition of the word Socialist than libertarians.
    The dual-axis political spectrum is not perfect, as the two axes (economic policy and social policy) do not circumscribe all possible elements that factor into an individual's political beliefs, but it certainly is a major improvement on the more common single-axis political spectrum, and it actually does a pretty good job circumscribing most political positions when it comes to domestic politics. That being said, as I defined it, and as is a completely respectable definition to use, Socialism on the dual-axis political spectrum is the left corner of the graph, where government control of the economy is greatest, and personal liberty via social policy is the greatest as well. To be completely honest, this could be seen as being a bit kind to Socialism, as there is nothing about Socialism that necessarily states that personal liberty will be supported via social policy; Socialism is really just complete (or at least extensive) government control over the economy; I have chosen to be kind to Socialism by going with a more modern-day European Socialism (the kind that American Liberals would like to push us towards) that upholds personal liberty, while declaring the bottom corner, where both personal liberty and economic liberty are at their lowest, as Fascism/Totalitarianism/Authoritarianism/Statism; one caveat one might want to add that does not get factored into the dual-axis political spectrum is that Socialism, properly understood, entails not just extensive government control of the economy, but extensive government control of the economy for the (purported) betterment of the majority of society, not just a select oligarchy or the upper echelons of society. Other than that, though, I think my thinking about how Socialism fits into the dual-axis spectrum is really not too broad to be accurately considered anything less than meaningful.

    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    I don't very many Americans, be they registered Democrats, so-called liberals, or even people occupying Wall Street, actually have definitively socialist demands.
    To increasing degrees for each of these successive categories you are wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    You would have to be a disgusting, sadistic, greedy idiot, devoid of the slightest respect for your fellow man to not be a communist.

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