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    Nazi Germany and the United States are the two most right-wing societies of any real significance to exist in the last 100 years

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    Right wing is freedom, exemplified by groups such as constitutionalists, libertarians, anarchists, and other liberty focused groups.

    Left wing is control, exemplified by groups such as the Democrat Party (socialist), Republican Party (facist), the communist party, the green party, and other authoritarian groups.

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    Socialist = International Socialist

    Facist = National Socialist.

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    Thats different in Germany.

    Right-wing means generally strong conservative people, who can have facist tendencies and who are anti-globalisation. They want to limit things so they stay controllable and many parties in that direction dont care about the individual and have strong ideological prejudices and prejudices in general. Left-wing means strong idealistic people, where idealism can turn to fanatism quite fast. Their goals are in general of a honourable nature, like saving the environment, empowering the people, union rights or fighting the freedom in financial capitalism.

    How both parties behave, if they are either more dictatorial or not, depends on the parties current leaders thats nothing static but rather a dynamic thing that changes. Therefore its not possible to lump-up all those parties in one sentence.

    The current government of Angela Merkel has been a moderatly conservative party; but Merkel shows strong left-wing tendencies, all in good sound with industrial demands. Its basically a good intention to unify practical industrial intrests with honorable goals like getting away from nuclear power or enviromentalism. On top of that she is very intelligent; she understood the economical cycle and has seen that giving Greece money doesnt solve the problem. Because there is already so much money in the financial system, which has made it at all possible for the traders to generate more money on top of that. To give Greece money now, would only add to the inflation of the holistic process. There are other problems which need to be solved, like a persitant problem which wasnt cared for the first time when Europe got a common currency: namely how can rich states and poor states financially successfully coexist in a union like Europe.

    Another thing she has initiated is the foundation of a common european economic council. Such a council shall help poorer states in Europe to learn from the successful ones and it should serve as a controlling institute which gives advise for planned investions. Thats a first and very important step into a globalized future imo and I hope it plays out well and isnt misused by greedy humans again.

    Regarding socialism and facism: The nazis used that term to portray themselves as humane. Fact tho is that socialism and facism have about as much in common like an egg and a banana.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green_Pine View Post
    Both are repressive, and far left wing.
    Wow that's wrong.

    Both might be oppressive, yes, but not equally. And no, the USA is not very left-wing at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    Nazi Germany and the United States are the two most right-wing societies of any real significance to exist in the last 100 years

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    That's also really wrong. I mean, at the very least that puts the USA ahead of Fascist Italy itself (the originator of Fascism) as well as Chile under Pinochet. And that's really only scratching the surface.
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    ^^ I agree a lot.

    The United States aint facist or right-winged. Regarding America there are only two things I would accuse them off as a negative effect of their economical system:

    - Opportunism, America jumps to quickly without thinking or respecting the consequences onto economical advantages
    - Lobbiism, the industry holds a too strong opinion in the government to make the cycle between governemt, industry and people work; the government lacks power to act as a controlling organ of industry and people

    I can be wrong tho, I am not too much into politics and I generally do not understand american politics
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    ^^ I agree a lot.

    The United States aint facist or right-winged. Regarding America there are only two things I would accuse them off as a negative effect of their economical system:

    - Opportunism, America jumps to quickly without thinking or respecting the consequences onto economical advantages
    - Lobbiism, the industry holds a too strong opinion in the government to make the cycle between governemt, industry and people work; the government lacks power to act as a controlling organ of industry and people

    I can be wrong tho, I am not too much into politics and I generally do not understand american politics
    The USA is more a less a plutocracy.
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    Oh cool, I have learnt a new word, only knew oligarchy so far but that would be more into the direction of freemasons .

    I think you could be right with what you say and I see a huge potential to change that in making people more aware to their surroundings. Possibly topics like environmentalism have been bled to death by idealistic fanatics and you people cant hear about it no more. But I think creating a greater conciencse in the society for things like CO2 - reduction to stop pollution in megapolises and ending nuclear power plants to deal with the nuclear waste problem, is the right way; cause its more reasonable longterm than the alternatives. Nuclear power and the combustion engine, do create money shortterm, but they dont make this planet safer for our children.

    But for that I think you need to have a rich and thick society as a whole, so where everyone is rich and literally fat. And I think America isnt there atm, you have other issues, like the industrial backbone for example, which has been probably the military industry, automotive, electronics and software. But since electronics and software aint generating too much money no more, largely due to the worldwide offers pushing the prices to near zero and military has reached its capacity and automotive got into trouble due to the challenges of a globalized World as well, you need to find new markets.

    I am always seeing huge potential for renewables in America, since american engineers are prolly the best inventors on the World. And I see potential in the recycling industry. There is virtually no recycling on all the World and if you could create a market there, which after some investion help starts to recycle materials like copper, lithium or whatever for cheaper prices than it costs to buy them new, that would be a chance. I'ld think regarding industrial renewal you could need a president who starts a countrywide programm to spent money to the best ideas there are: regarding renewables, recycling and even automotive. especially regarding automotive there are huge changes for american industry to become lead supplier for electric cars.

    These are all ideas and it would have to be proven how they fit, but I think they are in a better direction than investing the industry into military or spacetravel alone. Cause the concepts I mentioned are things which aid the people more directly and basically thats what industry is for, to aid the people.

    Do I make sense or is my political understanding as a mechanic engineer way off ?
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    Found an intresting diagramm by the greek historian Polybios dating back 200 before Christ. Maybe is an insightful overview of some meanings:

    Amount of ruler | public weal | self-intrest

    One | Monarchy | Tyranny
    Some | Aristocracy | Oligarchy
    All | Democracy | Ochlocracy
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    The current government of Angela Merkel has been a moderatly conservative party; but Merkel shows strong left-wing tendencies, all in good sound with industrial demands.
    "strong left-wing tendencies"? Do you have an example? I hope you don't mean things like the current joke-debate about minimum wages which is probably just another try to prepare for next elections to prevent losing too many votes to the opposition. On the other hand I guess she may seem to have such tendencies when you compare her to the people from FDP, where probably any other german party would look left-wing.

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