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    Unhappy Global Warming

    Finally a journalist has looked into the evidence for global warming and found the wool has been pulled over our eyes.

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYPwPXNazOs

    What is interesting is the group bullying and libel both Donna Laframboise and Stephen McIntyre both received as they questioned the evidence for global warming, similar to the group bullying and libel here for anyone who questions the evidence for MBTI.

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    It sounds more like a journalist who has looked into a particular organization with an obvious agenda and found that they have been either intentionally misrepresenting themselves or have been consistently misrepresented by others. Likely both. Her point about the number of scientists in the organization and working on the paper and the fact that graduate students were involved is interesting, but really doesn't have much meaning. Graduate students are monkeys made to dance in order to complete their thesis. Findings don't become less significant simply because fewer people worked to reach them or some didn't have their PhD.

    I'm all for investigating the behavior and motivations of influential organizations involved with any environmental discussion. That said, I'm completely opposed to picking out any single instance of wrongdoing from any camp, or even those who haven't pitched a tent yet, and using it to steer my entire thought process. I'll have to give her book a read when I get a chance.

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    As a socialist I look at topics like pollution, climate change and global warming through the prism of the unacknowledged class struggles which are being fought between elites and other elites and between elites and subordinates.

    A lot of pollution, the serious environmentally devastating sort, is a result of corporate dumping or the exercise of business practices in parts of the world where it is permissable which would not be permissable in the developed or richer countries. Or the collusion of national and global elites which are prepared to act unlawfully for short term gain instead of developing more sustainable industry and commerce.

    Although I seriously believe that the greatest environmental struggles are between the privileged developed world and the developing world, particularly those which have "dirty" industries, even though these industries often produce exactly what the developed world wants for less than the developed world could domestically. There are forms of agricultural and business practices in the developed world, particularly things such as the common agricultural policy in the EU or US' protection of steel and other industries necessary to the US' dependency on militarism which parallel these struggles.

    Although that said the underdogs are not always to be supported in every instance, plain deregulation and opening of markets could flood existing markets with inferior products and create spurious and wasteful competition which would take years and years for market forces alone to work out, if it ever would (it has not been proven to do so, not until such times as monopolies emerge to control a particular sector). Those scarce resources expended in this process are not going to used at a replacement rate and could disappear altogether, leaving developed nations virtually pillaged and in a state more miserable than their original one.

    This is no digression because these arguments about open or regulated markets dont simply parallel arguments about environmental protection or struggles, one of the main arguments for open markets is that if the developed world will make "dirty" industrialism or development impermissable for the vast majority of the world, and also seek to restrict immigration flows, then it should make agrarianism pay for those nations. Otherwise you've a stimulus for terror, state sponsored, millionaire sponsored (Bin Laden was a millionaire maverick) or just the sort of random shit which results in stateless nations like Somalia (libertarian paradises if their ideology is correct), mass population displacement and humanitarian disasters.

    There has been some exaggeration of climate change threats I belief, not because its about creating mighty governments or because green is the new red or anything so simplistic as that but because certain nation states want their populations to prepare for extreme weather themselves, at the spontaneous or populous level, and also get behind them in their struggles with other national or corporate pollutors.

    All that said, I personally think that there is a hidden agenda, I think that there are nations which have weaponised climate technology, cloud seeding is the thin end of the wedge, the super heating of parts of oceans by nuclear subs can cause environmental consequences around the world or the use of deep sea demolitions tech, either of those things can be easily attributed to volcanos or quakes or plate movements. The great game is carrying on and sometimes I think it will be the ultimate break on environmental regulation because the regulation will require nation states to dispense with that kind of thing. That wont happen. Not just because of the struggles between national elites or global elites themselves but because often those same struggles are used to control domestic elites, lots of the weirder side of Russian propaganda or state actions sanctioning diplomats or cultural agencies has been reported or covered elsewhere as "for domestic consumption".

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    Oh no, its a big conspiracy of scientists to suppress the evidence for hollow earth/creationism/reptilians!
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    There was a recent meta-analysis of climate change studies, and the conclusion was that it is real and it's man made. I don't have time to find it for you, but it's on the web somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nebbykoo View Post
    There was a recent meta-analysis of climate change studies, and the conclusion was that it is real and it's man made. I don't have time to find it for you, but it's on the web somewhere.
    Dont even bother, everyone knows that those studies were all funded by George Soros and the scientists who dared speak the truth were shot and buried in shallow graves.
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    That explains why there weren't 4000 scientists then. Thanks for clearing that up.

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