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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    This doesn't implies gay marriage at all. Creation of a statist form of gay marriage is a form of interventionism.

    And hetero marriage is not narrow and passé, it's an important pillar of society.
    A pillar which should stand on its own, not one that needs the government as its foundation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    A pillar which should stand on its own, not one that needs the government as its foundation.
    But it does stand on its own, hetero marriage appeared sponteneously before it was regulated by the state. While gay marriage on an other hand, never appeared spontaneously and is just an artificial statist construct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    But it does stand on its own, hetero marriage appeared sponteneously before it was regulated by the state. While gay marriage on an other hand, never appeared spontaneously and is just an artificial statist construct.
    Like so many others, you confuse the words with their meanings. There are two different things on the table: partnerships (man and woman; (wo)man and (wo)man) and the recognition of these partnerships by the state (marriage; civil union). Both straight and gay partnerships develop without the interference of the state. But straight partnerships, if performed a certain way, are endowed by the state with different and more rights than gay partnerships. That difference is the whole problem. I pity the fools who care about the word 'marriage'.

    pure_mercury's solution is to leave the state out of the equation altogether. I like the idea, but few American voters will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    But it does stand on its own, hetero marriage appeared sponteneously before it was regulated by the state. While gay marriage on an other hand, never appeared spontaneously and is just an artificial statist construct.
    ....what? numerous neuroscience studies would disagree with you
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    ....what? numerous neuroscience studies would disagree with you
    History would disagree with him...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    History would disagree with him...
    true. if he dislikes/"disagrees with" homosexuals, that's no concern of mine, but I have no idea where he is getting his evidence from
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Like so many others, you confuse the words with their meanings. There are two different things on the table: partnerships (man and woman; (wo)man and (wo)man) and the recognition of these partnerships by the state (marriage; civil union). Both straight and gay partnerships develop without the interference of the state. But straight partnerships, if performed a certain way, are endowed by the state with different

    Like so many others, you don't understand that a marriage is not just a partnership between two individuals who live in the same house and have sex, but the parntership between two individuals and their families to force the husband to recognize his wife's children as his naturals children. Which means that even if you supress the static form of straight marriage, straight marriage will survive as long as women have children, and that it appeared spontaneously from a practical necessity. While gay marriage never appeared spontaneously since gays can't have natural children. Gay marriage, then, is just an artificial statist construct based only on the liberals's will to impose their whims and their newspeak. It also means that a gay marriage is between a man and a woman by definition.


    and more rights than gay partnerships. That difference is the whole problem.
    So what? Yes we should supress the statist form of straight marriage, but there's no reason for gay couples to have more right than thoses who are singles, gay or not.

    I pity the fools who care about the word 'marriage'.
    So why don't you shut up and stop to bother with theses whims of "gay marriage"?


    pure_mercury's solution is to leave the state out of the equation altogether.
    It's my position too, butat the same time, PM defends the creation of a statist gay marriage, it's a contradiction.

    I like the idea, but few American voters will.
    I don't care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    Like so many others, you don't understand that a marriage is not just a partnership between two individuals who live in the same house and have sex, but the parntership between two individuals and their families to force the husband to recognize his wife's children as his naturals children. Which means that even if you supress the static form of straight marriage, straight marriage will survive as long as women have children, and that it appeared spontaneously from a practical necessity. While gay marriage never appeared spontaneously since gays can't have natural children. Gay marriage, then, is just an artificial statist construct based only on the liberals's will to impose their whims and their newspeak. It also means that a gay marriage is between a man and a woman by definition.
    By your definition, a man and a woman cannot be married without (eventually) having children. What you are talking about could be called, say, natural family. But that is not the topic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    So what? Yes we should supress the statist form of straight marriage, but there's no reason for gay couples to have more right than thoses who are singles, gay or not.
    If there are reasons for straight couples to have particular rights as parties of a partnership, then there are reasons for gay couples to have equal rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    So why don't you shut up and stop to bother with theses whims of "gay marriage"?
    I care about equal rights for all couples. But I do not give a damn what they call the legal concepts that provide these rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    It's my position too, butat the same time, PM defends the creation of a statist gay marriage, it's a contradiction.
    One thing is realistically possible, the other not so much. The 'contradiction' happens when ideals become pragmatic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    I don't care.
    Thanks for letting me know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    ....what? numerous neuroscience studies would disagree with you
    We have 5000 years of civilisation behind us. What has been theses "spontaneous form" of gay marriage until now? Nothing. We just had Lady Gaga who self-proclaimed herself "pope" to marry her yoga teacher with another woman or something. Or a few marginals religious who married some gays without the aproval of their leaders or try to create a marginal stream in their religion. We have also some women who married with their horses or men who married with their dogs, it's not more binding. It was just the marginal action of a little bunch of eccentric, nothing that we can compared with straight marriage. I really don't care if gays create a casino in Las Vegas where they celebrate gay marriages and wear a wedding dress, but the state must stay out of this.

    History would disagree with him...
    A thing that we frequently realize when we argue with a partisan of gay marriage is that they know very a few things about law or history.
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    @Speed Gavroche
    homosexuality was widely accepted and practiced in both ancient Greece and feudal Japan, where same sex love was sometimes considered the "purest" form of love
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