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    It's a dynamic situation and a complex system. You can't expect to completely understand it in any short amount of time.

    What I meant, however, is that most people think that they do know what's best for everyone because of their values. It's one of the biggest problems in American politics (in my opinion).
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    You want to know where to begin?

    Read these:

    The Republic: http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/republic.html

    The City of God Against the Pagans: http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1201.htm (Also a must-read for Deus Ex Fans)

    The Prince: http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/m/mach...niccolo/m149p/

    The Rights of Man: http://www.ushistory.org/paine/rights/index.htm

    The Social Contract: http://www.constitution.org/jjr/socon.htm

    Leviathan: http://publicliterature.org/books/leviathan/1

    Politics: http://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/politics.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    What about liberation theology?
    That's more a Catholic thing, not an Anglican.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halla74 View Post
    POLITICS = BLACK MAGIC :horor:
    "Magic" kind of implies that it actually works.

    Quote Originally Posted by Metamorphosis View Post
    What I meant, however, is that most people think that they do know what's best for everyone because of their values. It's one of the biggest problems in American politics (in my opinion).
    Right, because one solution always fits all cases?
    Or is this just an artefact of our Western arrogance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catbert View Post
    "Magic" kind of implies that it actually works.
    No Sir, it only *APPEARS* to work.
    That is the nature of magic, it is an illusion, just like politics.
    My analogy holds.



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    While it can still afford a great deal of diversity and life itself is of necessity very variegated, and this is a positively good thing, I do believe that certain values are good for everyone or their application in government and public life has beneficial consequences to everyone.

    I know that's something which is hard to grasp when you're young and probably struggling against any boundaries which are set for you by parents or the authorities, some people keep that challenging mindset all their lives, often because they've read about outrages in history or some place else and believe their personal struggles are exactly the same as that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antimony View Post
    I'm 17. I don't know much about politics. I don't even really know where to begin.

    What are your political beliefs, and why? What are your values? For those of you who like to rant and provide statistics- please, do. I would absolutely love facts and numbers.

    Media related things will be taken with a grain of salt. There is always so much more to the story. So unless you find something really good, don't bother. Yeah, I could pick apart their wording, but it is THEIR wording.

    I'm going to be doing some research myself, but I think this could be a valuable resource.

    Also- in making my decision, I wish to be as empirical as possible. There are a multitude of 'facts' out there that I think are faulty at best. So it isn't the amount of information I receive, it is the content.

    A video wich explains very well how works our society:

    [youtube=9u0TyDtn0v0]The story of your enslavement[/youtube]

    Other importants and essentials fact is that politics can create money but simply still it and be "generous" with the other people's money, that they can't print money or create debt without impoverish people and that taxes, far to improve wealth, must nurish state and bureaucraty before be redirected toward productive ends, and then create impoverishment. Politics are useless and nefast black magicians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antimony View Post
    I'm 17. I don't know much about politics. I don't even really know where to begin.

    What are your political beliefs, and why? What are your values? For those of you who like to rant and provide statistics- please, do. I would absolutely love facts and numbers.

    Media related things will be taken with a grain of salt. There is always so much more to the story. So unless you find something really good, don't bother. Yeah, I could pick apart their wording, but it is THEIR wording.

    I'm going to be doing some research myself, but I think this could be a valuable resource.

    Also- in making my decision, I wish to be as empirical as possible. There are a multitude of 'facts' out there that I think are faulty at best. So it isn't the amount of information I receive, it is the content.
    You seem to be on the right track. The main traps are completely believing the media, allowing habits of belief to dictate your views, not seeking an informed view, letting yourself be emotionally bullied by political commentary etc. If you are aware of these and can avoid them you will do well.

    Just take your time to explore. It took me years to solidify a political perspective with some to-ing and fro-ing on certain issues. It's probably best to read up on the particular issues that you naturally feel strongly about (either for or against) - see if they still ring true when discussed in depth or if they stand up to argument. If you go to college you could consider taking a politics class or maybe even a general philosophy class (to help with your ability to critically assess an argument).

    My political views are along the lines of Social Democracy. Basically it's taking the best parts of capitalism and mixing it with the best parts of socialism - capitalism with strong restrictions, more of a focus on limiting the risks and creating a more equal and just society. It's more important to me that people be guaranteed the basics in life, than the few be exorbitantly rich. I have no problem with wealth and self-interest, as long as we prioritise people as a society (in other words a Welfare State). I suppose many aspects of the Nordic Model are the ideal for me (with some exceptions and alterations). There's a reason why Scandinavian countries come out on top in most of the studies the OECD conducts (health, productivity, happiness, equality, quality of life, education etc).
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    Antimony,
    When my first vote came around, I read all the political manifestoes, researched policies etc, etc. It's pretty overwhelming at first. Now I just go with the party with the most integrity, which is usually the Greens in my opinion. You'll get plenty of advice, and you'll figure it all out. It probably not great policy to go for the party who lies least, they'er never in power, but I find the environmentalists tend to have social policies in line with my values, but if truth be known, I'm a dyed in the wool socialist, so if in doubt, I vote left but all of the political parties have appealing policies. If only I could vote for the best bits, instead of whole parties.
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