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    Also in response to this being "pragmatic".

    I would have less of a problem with this if he was tried in absentia and all this evidence that "proves" he was a threat was actually revealed to us. I would still have a problem with it but I could kind of see the "being pragmatic" argument.

    There is no argument in defense of what happened here. A man was killed based on evidence that does not exist in my mind. A big part of evidence is that you have to use it to prove something, "We have evidence but its secret" doesnt fucking fly. All they have to do to kill anyone now is say "we have evidence but its a secret". People have said that he could have turned himself in, imagine if he DID.

    Imagine the fucking Kafkaesque scene as a man is prosecuted with non-existant evidence. The jury is shown Exhibit A: a locked breifcase containing Exhibits B-Z. The jury cant see inside the briefcase but the fact that it most definitely contains evidence is enough to sway them.

    IT SOUNDS LIKE A COMEDY SCENE UNTIL YOU REALIZE THATS WHAT HAPPENED
    . They didnt even have a trail to show this imaginary evidence. They just declared him guilty based this evidence they cant show anyone. They declare him guilty then they kill him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Critical Hit View Post
    IT SOUNDS LIKE A COMEDY SCENE UNTIL YOU REALIZE THATS WHAT HAPPENED[/B]. They didnt even have a trail to show this imaginary evidence. They just declared him guilty based this evidence they cant show anyone. They declare him guilty then they kill him.
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    Pretty much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Critical Hit View Post

    HE DIDNT KILL A TERRORIST(at least on purpose). HE KILLED THE GUY WHO RUNS THE AL QAEDA NEWSLETTER. A MAN WITH NO PROVEN TIES TO ANY ACTUAL AL QAEDA OPERATIONS. A MAN WHO WAS AN AMERICAN CITIZEN.
    Terrorist. Citizenship is irrelevant.

    "Following the strike, a U.S. official outlined new details of al-Awlaki’s involvement against the U.S., including Abdulmutallab’s alleged mission. The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters, said al-Awlaki specifically directed Abdulmutallab to detonate an explosive device over U.S. airspace to maximize casualties."

    Nigerian man pleads guilty to trying to blow up plane over Detroit with bomb in his underwear

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    I think we should all accept terrorists for who we are. Besides, we are all guilty of terrorism at some point or another (or at least as guilty as the guy writing a newsletter). We really need to stop discriminating and killing these people. What we really need to do is learn to accept one another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    Terrorist. Citizenship is irrelevant.

    "Following the strike, a U.S. official outlined new details of al-Awlaki’s involvement against the U.S., including Abdulmutallab’s alleged mission. The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters, said al-Awlaki specifically directed Abdulmutallab to detonate an explosive device over U.S. airspace to maximize casualties."

    Nigerian man pleads guilty to trying to blow up plane over Detroit with bomb in his underwear
    The key word is alleged.

    Look, no one is crying over this specific guy. The problem is the decision to kill him and how it was made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    The key word is alleged.

    Look, no one is crying over this specific guy. The problem is the decision to kill him and how it was made.
    Why now? This is how one takes out strategic targets with minimal losses to U.S. military. Been done for years. I don't want some dead kid sent home in a coffin if it can be helped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    Terrorist. Citizenship is irrelevant.

    "Following the strike, a U.S. official outlined new details of al-Awlaki’s involvement against the U.S., including Abdulmutallab’s alleged mission. The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters, said al-Awlaki specifically directed Abdulmutallab to detonate an explosive device over U.S. airspace to maximize casualties."

    Nigerian man pleads guilty to trying to blow up plane over Detroit with bomb in his underwear
    Wow an anonymous intelligence officer, such a credible source. Remember awhile back when every news agency had "Anonymous Intelligence Officials" who were all saying Bin Laden was dead?

    http://www.godlikeproductions.com/fo...age1470174/pg1

    ITS ALMOST AS IF THESE PEOPLE WHOS JOB IS TO SPREAD DISINFORMATION ARE SPREADING DISINFORMATION.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    Why now? This is how one takes out strategic targets with minimal losses to U.S. military. Been done for years. I don't want some dead kid sent home in a coffin if it can be helped.
    The judge's decision that this was not justiciable, which basically gave Obama the power to order the death of (as far as we know, and as far as we can know) an American citizen without the interference or oversight of a court, is unprecedented. Don't you understand how that's dangerous? This al-Awlaki guy may have been a threat, but no one will ever know because the information is "secret," and we're all apparently supposed to accept that at face value.
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    Judges? Who cares about judges. They have no place in determining intel or overseeing military operations.

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