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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Illegal protests like this one, yes, it is. They never got a permit. That means they don't deserve recognition for anything other than what they are doing - engaging in unlawful activity.
    Yeah, just like Rosa Parks and all those 60s civil rights hooligans, with their sit-ins and freedom rides and other illegal fare. What a bunch of law-breaking, good-for-nothing jerks, huh? I'm glad everyone came to their senses and finally saw them as a bunch of criminals.

    (Also, I would presume the use of these protests is the same as those ones. That is: getting people to see and understand your message all across the nation. On TV, in print. And getting those who agree galvanized to some kind of more present and direct action. What other way is this particular issue going to be fought? The left and right both have political leaders who have done very little in defense of the poor and middle class (and have largely lost their trust), so a rallying cry needs some other kind of origin. If the police attack or arrest non-violent participants, then sympathy from others across the nation can be added to the mix. Again, anyone with a basic knowledge of the civil rights campaigns of the 60s knows this can be very effective.)
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    It's always worth a good laugh when exactly the right thing comes along to validate a hypothesis. In this case, my guess that tea partiers would subject an equivalent left-wing movement to every criticism that they have deflected.

    Also, whenever I read something like this...

    Roger, how can you believe that OWS is not socialist?

    How do you explain the leadership tonight of Lisa Fithian, "activist and anarchist (Wikipedia)" in Occupy Chicago today?

    The OWS movement is socialist in it's tactics. They don't want to demonstrate, but to "occupy". To take what is not theirs by force (of numbers). The Tea Party, by contrast, rallies lawfully and does not "occupy". (Except now occupying elected office. Bam!)

    The OWS movement is socialist in its goals, which are to confiscate wealth and redistribute it.

    The OWS movement is socialist in its demands. Free college for everyone. $20 minimum wage. There is not a wit of difference between the OWS demands and the demands of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) for the last 40 years.

    OWS is socialist in its DNA. Led by community organizers. As tired as it gets.
    ...I imagine that person hasn't devised a thought of their own in years. Duck speak. It's fucking creepy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZPowers View Post
    I'm glad everyone came to their senses and finally saw them as a bunch of criminals.
    Go rob a NYC bank. You'll feel better. Peace. Love. Dope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Go rob a NYC bank. You'll feel better. Peace. Love. Dope.
    Evidence that this group is guilty of any kind of robbery please.

    Unless you can prove the OWS people are committing major and/or violent crimes, it's only logical to assume you must see the civil rights protests with the same disdain you see these protests, with one caveat: whichever one you agree with more is better, because, um... I guess because you agree with it more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZPowers View Post
    Evidence that this group is guilty of any kind of robbery please.

    Unless you can prove the OWS people are committing major and/or violent crimes, it's only logical to assume you must see the civil rights protests with the same disdain you see these protests, with one caveat: whichever one you agree with more is better, because, um... I guess because you agree with it more.

    And let's not forget I beat small children and kill animals. Your assumptive thinking is amusing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    And let's not forget I beat small children and kill animals. Your assumptive thinking is amusing.
    Well, my assumption is based on our conversation and your answers to it. It's an assumption that someone staggering and slurring might be drunk, but it isn't one without some support.

    Mostly because you don't give one distinction between the two and summarily disregarding all types of illegal, even illegal non-violent protests as bad. This can accurately describe OWS and the Civil Rights sit-ins. Illegal. If you consider illegal protest bad, as you noted when referring to OWS, you must assume the sit-ins to end segregation were bad UNLESS you provide a reason why the two are distinct. Given your hesitancy to do so (and the fact yhat you've been otherwise hostile to the OWS in this thread) the difference in your opinion is the most obvious available choice. Now, it's either just that subjective and empty difference, you do think the civil rights protests were overall bad, or you provide a distinction. No distinction, and I have to assume one of the former two, as there is no practical way for me to guess what you think might separate them.

    Basically, since you aren't replying and instead provide cutesy, non-illuminating one-liners, I have to guess you have no better answer. It is assumptive, but given the evidence it seems the most logical one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZPowers View Post
    Well, my assumption is based on our conversation and your answers to it.
    I read no more than that sentence. Why? You think we're having a conversation. We're not.
    Nor do I have an interest in having one.

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    I have no problem with protests, but they're kind of stupid anyways. It's not protesting anything about our current situation or any particular laws of the country afaik. It's protesting the state of humanity in general. Economic inequality. Great. Can you be more vague? With goals like that, then fat chance in changing anything. Much.

    It doesn't help that many themselves live in NYC. Your economic problems are your own doing then. My brother lives there. He's ten years older than me and still borrows money from my parents (and oddly, has a better job than I ever will). I guess he stays because he thinks it makes him cool or something. It makes you poor is what it makes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    I have no problem with protests, but they're kind of stupid anyways. It's not protesting anything about our current situation or any particular laws of the country afaik. It's protesting the state of humanity in general. Economic inequality. Great. Can you be more vague? With goals like that, then fat chance in changing anything. Much.

    It doesn't help that many themselves live in NYC. Your economic problems are your own doing then. My brother lives there. He's ten years older than me and still borrows money from my parents (and oddly, has a better job than I ever will). I guess he stays because he thinks it makes him cool or something. It makes you poor is what it makes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    I have no problem with protests, but they're kind of stupid anyways. It's not protesting anything about our current situation or any particular laws of the country afaik. It's protesting the state of humanity in general. Economic inequality. Great. Can you be more vague? With goals like that, then fat chance in changing anything. Much.
    The Tea Party was like that, too. Every movement of this sort has to start like that. And while I know all the populists and anarchists hate this, movements like this don't develop meaning or a capacity for change until they are co-opted by a leader or small group of leaders. Sometimes all of those leaders are nobodies, but typically at least one of them if not all of them already had some public credentials.
    The tense things about times like this is waiting to see exactly what sort of leader emerges. It could be good, it could be bad. I sure wish I could take reigns of this situation, because I have plenty of specific policies that is right up this movement's alley.

    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    It doesn't help that many themselves live in NYC. Your economic problems are your own doing then. My brother lives there. He's ten years older than me and still borrows money from my parents (and oddly, has a better job than I ever will). I guess he stays because he thinks it makes him cool or something. It makes you poor is what it makes.
    Ermm. Are you using your brother to represent all the people of the most populated and probably most diverse city in the USA?
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