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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    In the late ninties early 2000s I remember reading a lot of good material written questioning why capitalism remained the most ideologically enticing and appealing idea when the reality across the world bore so little resembalence to the theory, most of the time it involved using psychology and old psycho-analytical ideas to explain how the fantasy mattered more than the reality, how the emotional attachment to particular ideas and the emotional content, often linked to historic struggles, mattered more and libido and Id was the driving behind the repeated attempts to realise the capitalist utopian dream.
    Ahhh.....didn't you get the memo? The triumph of capitalism marks the "end of history"!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Ahhh.....didn't you get the memo? The triumph of capitalism marks the "end of history"!
    I got the memo.
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    A heart warming story of corporate generosity, just in time for Christmas. Link

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not_Me View Post
    A heart warming story of corporate generosity, just in time for Christmas. Link
    This is even more heart-warming. Link

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    I love that picture! I reminds me quite a lot of this one, which further drives the point home (forgive me if it's been posted before):


    Seems I'm late to the party, but I also cannot condemn capitalism here as there really is no such thing involved. This is corporatism at it's finest. We'll never see capitalism while we have central banks controlling currency and elected officials (with campaign funding needs) playing yard-duty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GatoLoco View Post
    Seems I'm late to the party, but I also cannot condemn capitalism here as there really is no such thing involved. This is corporatism at it's finest. We'll never see capitalism while we have central banks controlling currency and elected officials (with campaign funding needs) playing yard-duty.
    So what you're saying is that capitalism nothing more than a utopian ideology and can not be realised in the real world, all attempts to do so have failed and been co-opted by the ruling classes?

    I agree entirely. Welcome comrade when will the soviets take over?

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    While relevant to this discussion, I decided to post it in a separate thread to keep it clean.
    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...48#post1750248
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    So what you're saying is that capitalism nothing more than a utopian ideology and can not be realised in the real world, all attempts to do so have failed and been co-opted by the ruling classes?
    Well, technically nothing pure can exist outside of utopian ideology, and this goes just as well towards capitalism as it does socialism, communism, and even lemonade. Pesky bits of fingernail droppings and that odd taste from the month old ice-cubes always find a way to get in there.

    Whenever you put human beings into the picture, you always get secret herbs & spices into everything you make.. this goes double for social orders or economic principles.

    That being said, (and IMO), what you want to call the USA today is a glass half-empty, half-full argument. It's obviously based on an experiment in capitalism, but with a smidgeon of socialism, a dash of nationalism, and a huge double-heaping portion of corporatism that seems to keep coming back to the table for more and more.

    Ultimately, it comes down to the initial republic idea being fairly well thought out for ways to deal with basic civil liberties, but by putting markets into that mix it really loused things up badly. It was never really set out to manage that. The rest is history.

    You see the same thing all over the world. You build a tool to handle A, and maybe a little B, and it does both A & B pretty well. Before you know it, you expect it to handle C,D,E and F too. So before you know it, you're trying to unplug your toilet with a yardstick... which closely models how the constitution is actually being used to handle market regulation (i.e. it shouldn't. Use a plunger).

    I agree entirely. Welcome comrade when will the soviets take over?
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    I see the issue as largely a change of human societal arrangement from nations to corporations.
    I'm not sure why this is a bad thing.

    As evidence, I read somewhere that Walmart and General Motors are bigger economies than most countries. I think they were in the top 30. In that same article, 51 of the 100 largest economies were corporations, not nations.

    If Walmart developed a nuke and hired an army, certainly they'd be more relevant in the world than, you know, Belarus. Even without that, they pretty much are..right?

    I, for one, welcome our new corporate overlords.

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