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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    @ICUP was done discussing the topic in any serious way a long time ago. Before she started talking about her bank account, which was unsolicited information BTW, she was busy calling me a bum because I told her she was wrong about Bank of America being the innocent victim of government bullies and street protestors.



    You don't say?



    I am indeed a she.



    Do you see no irony at all in what you're saying? You sound like a child throwing a tantrum, and if you're not actually a child, then you certainly have the mentality of one.



    Yes, I do think you're acting in quite an entitled way. Instead of focusing on the issues at hand, which are broader than you or I, or anyone else in particular (even the people fucked over directly by the banks), you insist on prattling on about what you deserve and what's owed you because you supposedly worked hard, and then because you feel so entitled to your "success," you also feel the need to comment on what other people do or do not deserve. This simplistic and selfish way of thinking has shaped your entire "contribution" to this discussion.



    Aww, look at you yammering on about what you deserve again.
    Yea, well, clearly we are at odds and I see no way to agree, so..... cool. Sometimes people are trying to lead others out of a hole.
    Your entire side was based on proving how "evil" Wall Street is, and how they should be butchered, each and every one of those "evil" capitalists. Jesus, just get a job and make some money. Easy answer. I sound like a child throwing a tantrum? I'm just finishing what you started. If you are going to be a big baby, expect your punishment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICUP View Post
    Yea, well, clearly we are at odds and I see no way to agree, so..... cool. Sometimes people are trying to lead others out of a hole.
    Your entire side was based on proving how "evil" Wall Street is, and how they should be butchered, each and every one of those "evil" capitalists. Jesus, just get a job and make some money. Easy answer. I sound like a child throwing a tantrum? I'm just finishing what you started. If you are going to be a big baby, expect your punishment.
    Actually.

    That part is hard to argue with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Its a bot for all we know
    That would be me, ending up in these scenarios.....
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    Grand. Just was intervening in case you where getting drawn in unwitthingly. There's poster's who're specialists in getting a rise out of people within the rules of the forum.
    TY, I appreciate the heads up.
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    @ICUP

    Assumptions, Assumptions, I could easily tell you to move out of Oakland if you don't like it, because I would call it the more "ghetto" part of the bay area anyways... but hey.

    Maybe, you know, you might like to move to Kern or Tulare County instead. I'm quite sure you'll like it there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rail Tracer View Post
    @ICUP

    Assumptions, Assumptions, I could easily tell you to move out of Oakland if you don't like it, because I would call it the more "ghetto" part of the bay area anyways... but hey.

    Maybe, you know, you might like to move to Kern or Tulare County instead. I'm quite sure you'll like it there.
    Hey, I've moved 30 times since I left home...... so if I don't like it, yea, I move.

    Kern or Tulare County? Not sure we would like it there. We plan to buy a home in Sunnyvale. We don't live in Oakland, but on the outskirts of it. Oakland is NOT all ghetto, but there are parts of Oakland that are. There's a very well-off area in Oakland. And yea, I wouldn't consider the Berkeley or Oakland Hills to be "ghetto", as well as most of the areas of Berkeley OR Oakland, for that matter.

    We basically moved here for employment reasons. We were in Burlingame, and his company got bought out and moved HQ to Emeryville, so we moved for less commute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICUP View Post
    Hey, I've moved 30 times since I left home...... so if I don't like it, yea, I move.

    Kern or Tulare County? Not sure we would like it there. We plan to buy a home in Sunnyvale. We don't live in Oakland, but on the outskirts of it. Oakland is NOT all ghetto, but there are parts of Oakland that are. There's a very well-off area in Oakland. And yea, I wouldn't consider the Berkeley or Oakland Hills to be "ghetto".
    It was a joke. It would most likely be dry lands and farm lands (quite different enough from the northern valley if you ask me.) I believe those two counties and a few others (extending to San Diego, but excluding LA) wanted to break out of California to create their own state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rail Tracer View Post
    It was a joke. It would most likely be dry lands and farm lands (quite different enough from the northern valley if you ask me.) I believe those two counties and a few others (extending to San Diego, but excluding LA) wanted to break out of California to create their own state.
    Yea, I don't assume anything. Someone could be telling the truth, trying to be an a-hole, telling a joke, or......... so I just try to answer honestly. When i get to know someone, then I'll know....... Yea, I know you are speaking of Central Valley. It's sortof like where I came from. I almost shot my brains out there. Although I have a lot of old friends who love it, and who I hold dear. I wouldn't doubt that someone could see that in me, which is why I didn't know if you were telling a joke or not lol....... I was raised conservative, and although I am not a practicing Christian now, it seems that many of the conservative values ended up taking hold. I don't think I was even aware of it myself, until I heavily tested it. I think it happened gradually from figuring it out..... not necessarily from doing what I was told.... at the same time, it is there, because there is a part of me that doesn't believe I should take handouts, and that i should reach for more. I think I just recently became in touch with these beliefs, and realized they are there.
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    Oops double post, see below.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    I didn't word that very well. what I meant to say is that to control anything complicated, you need control over all of the variables or things will play out in unforeseen ways. incomplete government intervention only leads to bubbles and unforeseen consequences (some we are currently seeing are food shortages, rapidly decreasing oil supply, higher prices, inflation (devaluing of the currency as opposed to price inflation) lower wages and higher cost of living). the only way to solve these problems would either be substantially more government intervention (ie directly controlling the prices of food, oil, living costs and wages) or to substantially deregulate, let the market correct itself as it will and get rid of any corporations that would monopolize resources.
    Wait, are you saying that the market would get rid of corporations that would monopolize resources? If not, what or who would?


    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    perhaps the desired outcome for 1, 5 even 10 years, but sustainably? not even close. just look at how many hours the average American works now as opposed to 20-40 years ago when you could just get a 9-5 job, have only one parent work and take 4 weeks vacation.


    economic freedom = power
    if a country's citizens lose their power and hand it over to the government, than they are at the government's mercy. an armed society is a safe, free and polite society. similarly, an economically free society cannot be controlled.
    deregulation => Enron

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enron_scandal


    The international economic collapse was basically a result of the same thing, but on a larger scale.

    The executives at Enron don't think they did anything wrong. Same with the executives at the banks who knowingly made choices that they knew would end in systemic collapse, but would allow them to first siphon off millions for themselves and their friends before everyone else lost everything. They were taught at business school that their only job is to make as much money as possible.

    I don't think everyone on Wall St is unethical, only the ones at the top who broke all the rules and ignored all the warnings, so that they could screw everyone else to get rich. I also don't think everyone in Washington is unethical, only the corrupt politicians who took money in exchange for deregulating and letting it happen.

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