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    Quote Originally Posted by Not_Me View Post
    Exactly. He advocates taxing the rich more.
    He has made money off of telling people that. That's why he's a hypocrite. If he doesn't want his money, then give it away. Yet he doesn't......
    He lives a lie.
    This guy has so many haters because of the fact, that he has to travel with high-level security.
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    Now the other side fires back:
    http://the53.tumblr.com/

    They basically divide it up as 53% vs 47%, and I believe this is based on the common Right wing claim that nearly 50% pay no taxes.
    So they see this "vast horde" of "lazy grasshoppers" they forever complain about as making them carry their weight, as embodied in the OWS protesters, and now fire with these photographic shots, consisting largely of sob stories of how they had it hard, and struggle, but nevertheless "pulled themselves up", and made it, and without "whining" and "trying to take what someone else has earned".
    A lot of self-righteous assumption of what someone else really wants. And the same deflection. They can't even be creative about it.


    Obviously, just spewing the same old junk the 1% tells them to, in order to protect their own necks.
    They still don't get it. (And they don't want to). Most of those people are not trying to get OTHER MIDDLE CLASS TAXPAYERS' money (Note how this "53% identifies with the "1%" seeing both groups as the same entity with the same common enemy), and from what I have seen, it is not so much even "give us someone'e money".
    Once again; it's ONLY government's fault. That's who the 99% or 47% should be blaming. But they are, —along with the "private" people controlling the government (in one way or another). But including them only proves one is trying to steal their hard "earned" money!

    Quote Originally Posted by ICUP View Post
    Peter Schiff is not libertarian.
    The scale is 2D, with Right vs left and libertarian vs authoritarian. You can be "libertarian" without being apart of the Libertarian Party, which is generally centrist on the left/right scale. Because Rightism has opposed "big government", they have become associated with "libertarian" principles, while the far left had become associated with authoritarianism because of totalitarian Communism. Some Rightists can become authoritarian, when the right circumstances are present. They end up demanding libertarianism for themselves or their heroes (big business), but then wanting authoritarianism for others they see as threats.
    So this guy might be more on the libertarian side of the Right, but who knows what he supports at other times.

    You just seem to concentrate on what "Wall Street" did wrong, I concentrate more on what the Federal Government does wrong. Why? Because the Federal Government has the power to fix it. I'm going straight to the place where the problem can be fixed. I'm not interested in bullshitting around or griefing, but learning of and fixing the problem at hand.
    Not when government is heavily influenced by Wall St. That's what this is all about.
    George Soros and Obama, as Jimmy Carter did, are trying to create class warfare, and it seems it is affecting the public. I think class warfare is useless, and it seems to cause a deviation into fighting-each-other, rather than solving the problems in the federal government.
    But conservative rhetoric is promoting this "class war" more than anyone else, when they begin lumping any and all detractors as just a bunch of lazy whiners who simply don't try hard enough, or a "47% trying to get our money", etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by earthtrekker1775 View Post
    I heard this the other day:

    "The Tea Party says 'We want to keep what we have earned.' The OWS says 'We want to keep what you have earned.'"
    Were the bailouts "earned"? (even if you argue that some were forced; those are likely not the ones who are being addressed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICUP View Post
    He has made money off of telling people that. That's why he's a hypocrite. If he doesn't want his money, then give it away. Yet he doesn't......
    He lives a lie.
    He wants to tax the rich, as in all of the rich. I dont like MM but as was said earlier there isnt much hypocrisy here. Is every rich person who wants to raise taxes a hypocrite because they dont just give away all of their money and shut up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    of course not, our society is not capitalist. if our society was capitalist and allowed to grow and prosper without restraint, than yes, it would be. human being are capable of great things if they are allowed to pursue them
    Mother of god. Ive joked about it before but... you honestly believe in Libertarian Magic Dust.

    I honestly dont know what to say. This is like meeting a completely serious Pastafarian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICUP View Post
    He has made money off of telling people that. That's why he's a hypocrite. If he doesn't want his money, then give it away. Yet he doesn't......
    He lives a lie.
    He does not advocate poverty. He advocates laws which does not favor the rich. Giving away his wealth would do nothing to further that goal.

    Picture yourself in a struggling business partnership with a lazy bum who never shows up. Should you simply put in more hours yourself or should you try make her carry her weight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Critical Hit View Post
    He wants to tax the rich, as in all of the rich. I dont like MM but as was said earlier there isnt much hypocrisy here. Is every rich person who wants to raise taxes a hypocrite because they dont just give away all of their money and shut up?
    It's a lie. If he didn't want money, there would be no money in the first place. He needs to join the 1%, where he belongs, and stop making money off of poor people. I find him disturbing.
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    Anyone seen this TED talk yet?

    [YOUTUBE="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ7LzE3u7Bw&feature=feedu"]Richard Wilkinson: How economic inequality harms societies[/YOUTUBE]

    I think it legitimises the concerns of the protesters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Critical Hit View Post
    Mother of god. Ive joked about it before but... you honestly believe in Libertarian Magic Dust.

    I honestly dont know what to say. This is like meeting a completely serious Pastafarian.
    I suppose so. people are capable of so much more than most people think. does everyone who isn't a libertarian feel completely hopeless or something? if there is a problem, people will find a way to fix it. when they have to survive, people suddenly become a lot smarter. when there is reward for their actions, people become a lot smarter. freedom works; controlling people does not
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