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    Quote Originally Posted by Critical Hit View Post
    So what youre saying is two people with completely opposite goals working towards those goals in different ways are accomplishing less than if they combined for a common goal?

    The problem is what that common goal would be. The Tea Party are in the camp of believing that Obama wasnt born in America and that a 3% increase in taxes on the rich is Socialism. They also think that defaulting would be a REALLY COOL IDEA(which shows how really nihilistic and insane they really are.)

    The Occupy movement is centered around the idea that money is influencing politics in a bad way. This is a considerably more concrete enemy than some spectre of SOCIALISM! and its also very very opposed to the Tea Parties libertarian belief that rich people are never ever wrong ever(Unless theyre George Soros) and that government is source of every problem ever.

    The Occupy movement also subscribes to version of events where the recession was caused by immoral and incompetent businessmen, as opposed to the Tea Party theory that George Soros engineered it to usher in a one world government.



    ^No Tea Partier would ever agree with that sign, ever.

    TL;DR Your question is like asking why Foxes and Rabbits dont team up against hunters.
    What I'm saying is that, as long as the other side is opposed to their views, neither one is going to get what they want. If each side could be less extreme and more moderate about their goals, and perhaps get someone who is unbiased on the subject to create a fair compromise between them, they could each get something that they wanted. That's why I said it's unlikely, because each side is way too stubborn to acknowledge the validity of the other side's point. I agree with the Tea Party, because taxes are too high (my family pays 1/3 of our money to the government in taxes, and Democrats want to increase that - we're not even rich, though we are according to them). I agree with the Occupy Wall Street movement because some rich people are too greedy and selfish. Each side is too narrow-minded to make my idea work. I'm not an economist, so I really don't know what compromise would satisfy them both, but I do think that some form of a compromise that would unite them together for a common purpose would be more effective than them each trying to convince the government to side with them over the other one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Critical Hit View Post
    3 things:

    Are there enough help wanted signs for everyone?
    I'm not sure, but I've seen them around. Besides the point, if I was unemployed and cared to be employed, I wouldn't be spending my days getting stoned in a park. I would be out applying for jobs and networking.
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    Are you sure that most of those people are unemployed?
    Seeing as, they've pitched tents there, aren't bathing, and are spending the night there, I would think that they are unemployed. I can't see them waking up and then going back to their homes to take a shower and go to work, after spending all night in a crappy tent downtown surrounded by homeless, hippies, and marijuana. I'm supposing since their tents are set-up there semi-permanently, that they aren't leaving them.
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    If someone who is unemployed and cant find a job decides to take part in a protest, should he quit that protest the moment a job becomes available?
    I think anyone who wants to can protest. My point is, I don't think they have jobs, or care to get any. If they cared to get one, they wouldn't be spending the night in parks, getting high, while there are unemployment signs right there in front of them. There are lots of people around here who choose not to work, and to take advantage of hand-outs. I see them all over the place, everyday. It's no big mystery or anything that isn't a-given, and a fairly well-known fact to the residents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICUP View Post
    I'm not sure, but I've seen them around. Besides the point, if I was unemployed and cared to be employed, I wouldn't be spending my days getting stoned in a park. I would be out applying for jobs and networking.

    Seeing as, they've pitched tents there, aren't bathing, and are spending the night there, I would think that they are unemployed. I can't see them waking up and then going back to their homes to take a shower and go to work, after spending all night in a crappy tent downtown surrounded by homeless, hippies, and marijuana.


    I think anyone who wants to can protest. My point is, I don't think they have jobs, or care to get any. If they cared to get one, they wouldn't be spending the night in parks, getting high, while there are unemployment signs right there in front of them. There are lots of people around here who choose not to work. I see them all over the place, everyday. It's no big mystery or anything that isn't a-given.
    So how much of the 9.1% unemployment rate is people choosing not to work? Rough estimate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Critical Hit View Post
    So how much of the 9.1% unemployment rate is people choosing not to work? Rough estimate.
    For one, I think 9.1% unemployment rate is a farce. I think it's more like 20% or more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICUP View Post
    For one, I think 9.1% unemployment rate is a farce. I think it's more like 20% or more.
    Ok, so how much of the 20% unemployment rate is people choosing not to work?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Critical Hit View Post
    Ok, so how much of the 20% unemployment rate is people choosing not to work?
    I don't know. I just know I see lots of people who are choosing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICUP View Post
    I'm not sure, but I've seen them around. Besides the point, if I was unemployed and cared to be employed, I wouldn't be spending my days getting stoned in a park. I would be out applying for jobs and networking.
    I don't know where YOU live, but around here, getting stoned is a good way to network. You just have to pick the right crowd. See, a sophisticated man like me gets stoned with established artists and intelligentsia, not some White Castle employee in between the shifts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICUP View Post
    Around here, that's pretty-much true. There are help-wanted signs around, as many in the park remain there, smoking their dope and sleeping in tents for weeks, while they don't bathe. They don't seem to be too interested in getting a job.
    my kind of people except i like bathing and sleeping in my own bed so here i am. i've only passed by occupy oakland on the bus, i should go check it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chana View Post
    my kind of people except i like bathing and sleeping in my own bed so here i am. i've only passed by occupy oakland on the bus, i should go check it out.
    IDK, there have been rapes reported.... I think it's kindof nasty.... and lawless. Be careful.....
    There are people defecating on the sidewalks and shit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    I don't know where YOU live, but around here, getting stoned is a good way to network. You just have to pick the right crowd. See, a sophisticated man like me gets stoned with established artists and intelligentsia, not some White Castle employee in between the shifts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    I don't know where YOU live, but around here, getting stoned is a good way to network. You just have to pick the right crowd. See, a sophisticated man like me gets stoned with established artists and intelligentsia, not some White Castle employee in between the shifts.
    You know, that's not even a joke. Especially in academia.
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