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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Guess View Post
    The difference here is that the degradation that comes from the sex trade has more to do with the cultural stigma attached to it, the dangers that are a natural part of the lifestyle, and the fact that most of the women involved cannot escape their situation. Many do find it degrading; however, if it were legalized, and these women were given a genuine opportunity to choose whether or not they wanted to stay, this would become less of a factor, and it could even attract a greater volume of people who are interested in that type of work, but are understandably wary of the risk it carries. Over time, you would see a shift from those who did not find this type of work appealing being slowly replaced by those who did, and wanted to be a part of it.
    On what basis do you prophesy this, I'm curious? In my opinion it's bad enough that people generally have to sell their labor for largely arbitrary and exploitative wages (I'm speaking not only of developed nations but around the world.) What makes you think that pimping your body out to a less violent, but in all likelihood equally as exploitative "legal" master is going to do away with that degradation of the human spirit?

    As for your comments about social stigma, I imagine that is more important to the solicitors and sellers of sex work than the products (prostitutes.) All that will serve is expanding the demand for sex workers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Guess View Post
    Exactly.
    Heh. I was being sarcastic. Lots of people are where they don't want to be, sometimes even with jobs to took years of dedicated study to attain. In the case of prostitution, I don't think that's what you'd call "skilled labor" (lots of room for jokes there), so that means the odds of this misplacement are even higher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    Right. Let's take a moment to look at our most recent presidential election. To your point, I wonder how frequently women have been seen as serious candidates for the Presidency - and not instead (for this example in particular) offered as an attempt at clever political gamesmanship designed to offset a tidal wave of 'change' brought on by the impotency of the previous administration. She was a punchline. A misguided attempt at constructing a social equivalency to prevent a landslide victory for the democrats. She was the wrong answer to the question then, and remains a poor choice now.

    Perhaps she was not the woman you spoke to in your example, but the transparency in political tactic behind her appointment is something we cannot ignore if we are to be honest with how women are viewed and why Sarah Palin was offered as a political counterpunch to something as incredible as a Black man running for office.
    This is democratic politics we're are dealing with - they all revolve around appeasement, pandering, and bullshit gestures. Do you really think that Romney will push for a constitutional amendment for banning gay marriage if he were to get elected? Ridiculous. Just an empty gesture to appease the bible thumping bumpkins on the Right.

    Also, I disagree with your assessment of the last presidential election. Sarah Palin's nomination was designed to coax hardcore Hillary supporters. Apparently somewhere in the Republican campaign office, somebody came up with a brilliant idea that "men hating bulldykes" would vote Republican if only there was a vagina on a vice presidential ticket.

    Think about it, which pandering is more persuasive: "I know you wanted a woman president. Sorry your party let you down. Would you like a woman vice president instead?" or "I know you really like that charming black fella... but how about a Republican woman instead?"

    Nobody who was willing to vote for a metropolitan black man was interested in voting for a yokel white woman. The only thing those two have in common is vague notion of "diversity". And I can't for the life of me imagine any voter who has a strong interest in diversity choosing Republican diversity over Democratic diversity.

    On another tangent - Republican gamble of putting Dubya on the ticket instead of McCain paid off in 2000 (barely), but totally backfired in 2008, because people were so incensed with Bush & Co that they voted a Negro into the White House. I'm totally serious by the way. I honestly believe that if it wasn't for Bush, Obama wouldn't be President right now.

    My original point remains. Women simply do not have the same perceptual/psychological reputation as men to lead or to hold positions of executive leadership in our shared American consciousness. I can find nothing shocking or controversial about that remark.

    Per capita, men still vastly outnumber women as CEOs. Men continue to vastly outnumber women as members of Congress -- it's only something like 270 women have ever been elected into Congress. Ever. Since Congress began in the years after the Revolutionary War. Keep in mind that each Congressional term of office routinely appoints over 500 people into positions of representation today. Simple math provides compelling evidence. A single term of office has almost double the seats that women have ever had.

    Can you really say that gender equality exists ? Things are getting better, sure. We have a long way to go before gender and gender roles stop being a significant factor when evaluating human worth.
    Well yeah. We aren't there yet. But we're making great progress. Especially considering the fact that a good portion of the people in this country think it's a good idea to write a constitutional amendment to keep queers from getting married.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    On what basis do you prophesy this, I'm curious? In my opinion it's bad enough that people generally have to sell their labor for largely arbitrary and exploitative wages (I'm speaking not only of developed nations but around the world.) What makes you think that pimping your body out to a less violent, but in all likelihood equally as exploitative "legal" master is going to do away with that degradation of the human spirit?

    As for your comments about social stigma, I imagine that is more important to the solicitors and sellers of sex work than the products (prostitutes.) All that will serve is expanding the demand for sex workers.
    On the basis that, if you give people a genuine way out, most who wish to leave would opt to take it. The "degradation of the human spirit" only comes into play if you were unwillingly prostituting yourself; like I said before, there are many people who would like to find themselves in this line of work, but are simply afraid of the dangers that come with it. Not everybody is into the same things; just because you may not find it enjoyable, doesn't mean that nobody else will. Not that absolutely everyone involved will be having the time of their lives, of course, but criminalizing the industry will do nothing to solve that.

    As for the social stigma, prostitutes are far more affected by this than pimps or solicitors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Guess View Post
    As for the social stigma, prostitutes are far more affected by this than pimps or solicitors.
    I don't know about that. I'm sure that many will agree that British lawyers are worse than the filthiest of hookers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Guess View Post
    On the basis that, if you give people a genuine way out, most who wish to leave would opt to take it.
    Way out? Who's getting out? The prostitutes? No, it sounds more like they're moving from one pimp to another.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Guess View Post
    The "degradation of the human spirit" only comes into play if you were unwillingly prostituting yourself; like I said before, there are many people who would like to find themselves in this line of work, but are simply afraid of the dangers that come with it. Not everybody is into the same things; just because you may not find it enjoyable, doesn't mean that nobody else will.
    The only way you could think that anyone would willingly, without coercion of need in some form, prostitute themselves, legally or not, is if you believed that some people found it fulfilling (ha!) to be used for sex. In the non-prostitute population we usually regard this type of behavior as pathological, but hey, whores just like to fuck! Otherwise it's just for money (not that they have to necessarily be poor or on drugs or anything, but it's still for money.)

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    Not that absolutely everyone involved will be having the time of their lives, of course,
    Why not?

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    but criminalizing the industry will do nothing to solve that.
    Neither, then, will legalizing, so that's not a very good argument in its favor.

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    As for the social stigma, prostitutes are far more affected by this than pimps or solicitors.
    Wrong. There's still a stigma attached to women who, for instance, strip, and that's been legal for ages. It just makes the people who run and frequent strip clubs feel better about themselves and not seem so scummy in the eyes of the community. What makes you think prostitution would be any different?

    Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that there should be stigmas against prostitutes (that they're shameful, or damaged, or whatever, that's not right.)
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    I think the prostitute's point of view would be that she's using the men for money, rather than that she feels used for sex.

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    Can we think of it more in terms of escort services? Escorts are classy individuals who take it seriously and make more money on average. I don't know any, but I wonder if they'd say it's damaging to them in any way. I bet there are plenty of people who would feel called to such a profession.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    Can we think of it more in terms of escort services? Escorts are classy individuals who take it seriously and make more money on average. I don't know any, but I wonder if they'd say it's damaging to them in any way. I bet there are plenty of people who would feel called to such a profession.
    I made quite a lot of money working as an escort. It really isn't a difficult life, it is quite simply the exchange of company and sexual services for money, but I realise its not for everyone. I don't feel like I was ever used for sex. I massively felt like I was using them for their money. Women get used for sex in their day to day lives all too often, but a decent escort is completely in control of her services, her fees etc.

    And I don't feel damaged in any way! But then maybe that is just the nature of an SP. I guess it would be interesting to see how other temperament types dealt with it. Or if indeed they would willingly put themselves in that situation.

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