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    I am ashamed of our judicial system and was horrified this morning to wake up and hear that they actually executed him. I was sure that they wouldn't. I was sure they would break this pattern of systematic racism and injustice in the judicial system. This will become just another part of the sad tragedies in USA history.

    The death penalty, if it is used at all, should only be used when there is no doubt of the perpetrator's guilt. This is horrifying and sad.

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    Whoa whoa WHOA. You people seriously think he was innocent?
    Just read the wikipedia article that was already linked.. The entire chain of events that night says nothing to promote his innocence. This was not a man who spent his evening praying in church or staying at home with family. Troy Davis shot someone in the face for yelling obscenities while leaving a party (it's not alleged, by the way, he was convicted for that and the conviction held) and then that same weapon he used to SHOOT SOMEONE IN THE FACE earlier that night was then used to kill an ex-army police officer who tried to stop Davis from beating the shit out of a homeless person. The officer was shot in the heart, and then the face.. and McPhail never even drew his weapon.

    Why is there so much sympathy for someone who became a murderer and a cop killer on the same night?

    Quote Originally Posted by ZPowers View Post
    It doesn't matter no one gets blamed specifically for oversight, but that it will always exist. The courtroom, the jury, the judge, it's all a human affair. And humans will always make mistakes. The criminals who are guilty are sent to prison and are no longer a threat to anyone else. Henry Lee Lucas died naturally in prison (actually, he was one of America's worst serial killers ever and the only person whose sentence George W. Bush, while Texas Governor, commuted to life in prison even while executing mentally handicapped prisoners, cause that guy's a dick) killed all of zero people after being sent to prison. Is killing someone who's no longer a threat worth risking killing others who are totally innocent ever? I don't think so. Especially considered death penalty is more expensive to the state than life in prison is anyways. The death penalty saves nobody, and only risks more innocents dying. Why would one support that? Is vengeance against monsters who are already effectively castrated worth not only risking accidentally killing the innocent, but also an additional financial cost?
    Death Penalty should be the cheapest thing on earth. A .22 rimfire round costs all of 10 cents, and is more humane than lethal injection. The statistics for it being "expensive" are because we give prisoners YEARS in the appeals process and allow every technicality in the book to overturn sentences and convictions.

    And no, it's not about revenge. It's about Justice. Troy Davis killed a man (an honourable man, by all accounts, a family man) because McPhail had the audacity to attempt to carry out his duty.

    Justice, not "feelings" decide what must be done.

    Consider; your feelings and values are saying "he should have been allowed to live" - the family's feelings and values say "vengeance."

    Justice is represented by a blind woman holding a scale for a reason. Troy Davis made his choices, and he tipped the scale. Justice, not the family, and not personal desires, dictates that the scale be balanced. A life for a life.
    Last edited by Wanderer; 09-22-2011 at 10:01 AM. Reason: Additional Reply rather than double post xD

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    On August 28, 1991, the jury, composed of seven black and five white members, took under two hours to find Davis guilty on one count of murder and the other offenses.[
    Other arguments made by Davis and his lawyers were that the racial composition of the jury . . . had affected his right to a fair trial.
    wut?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wanderer View Post
    Death Penalty should be the cheapest thing on earth. A .22 rimfire round costs all of 10 cents, and is more humane than lethal injection. The statistics for it being "expensive" are because we give prisoners YEARS in the appeals process and allow every technicality in the book to overturn sentences and convictions.
    Not that I agree with the US system at ALL, but eliminating appeals is hardly an improvement. Do you know how many murderers are later shown to be innocent? The state taking years of someone's life unjustly is bad enough - the state taking an innocent life unjustly, purely because some people are crying out for blood? Do you want to live in Iran, or what?
    -end of thread-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idealatious View Post

    The death penalty, if it is used at all, should only be used when there is no doubt of the perpetrator's guilt. This is horrifying and sad.
    Is there really such a thing as "no doubt"?

    Even people who plead guilty aren't absolved of doubt

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    Quote Originally Posted by INA View Post
    wut?
    Two possibilities come to mind

    Either the defendent is 100% black, and therefore the jury should be 100% black

    OR

    The jurisdiction was not 58.333% black, and therefore the jury is not an accurate representation of the demographics therein.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    Two possibilities come to mind

    Either the defendent is 100% black, and therefore the jury should be 100% black

    OR

    The jurisdiction was not 58.333% black, and therefore the jury is not an accurate representation of the demographics therein.
    Presumably, but both meritless, even if Savannah were not 57% black, which it is. With 58% he got a tiny tilt in his favor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INA View Post
    Presumably, but both meritless, even if Savannah were not 57% black, which it is. With 58% he got a tiny tilt in his favor.
    lawyers gonna lawy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    lawyers gonna lawy
    It's a baffling piece of racial wolf-crying.
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