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    Quote Originally Posted by earthtrekker1775 View Post
    I am studying at the moment so I can not fully answer due to time constraints. This video will do a much better job than I can. I believe a streamlined Federal Gov't. working for the States and citizens is the only way this country (judged by the freedoms of its people) will prosper in the coming decades.
    "stream lined federal government" = Free Market Libertarianism.

    Yeah.

    I bet the rich bankers are shitting themselves about that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amazingdatagirl View Post
    At least Republicans are open about their brown shirt agenda. Democrats buy votes with social entitlements.
    Oh heavens no! Politicians giving people what they want and need? And doing so in the expectation that it will get them elected again!?

    Such unmitigated evil! Brownshirts! Nazis! Fascism!

    Ever wonder why Lyndon B. Johnson became such a champion of the Great Society? He realized that black people could vote...
    Good lord! Negros being taken in to consideration during the formation of public policy? Truly these are the end times!

    If you are looking to a political organization to solve your problems then you are looking in the wrong place.
    I dont think you could spout a more meaningless statement. WHAT PROBLEM ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? What problem has been brought up in this conversation that you dont want the government to fix? You could be talking about ANYTHING.

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    And these entitlements which democrats supposedly "buy votes with", never mind that the populations in receipt of entitlements dont vote in record numbers, ever, really, but anyway, these entitlements, what do you suppose happens to them? Do you think they get quickly deposited in a tax exempt off shore account? Do they make their way into the pockets of the small business owners who want tax cuts and suggest abolishing the entitlments is the way to go about it? Where will they get their money then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I wouldnt disagree with this.

    Although is it advocating socialism? Geolibertarianism? The gold standard perhaps? Fascism even? It could be anything.

    Even political or policy debates about gold standards versus commodities linked currencies, the most novel old idea to come out of the political fringes in the US, has just one sure outcome, it will benefit the same rich bankers and overlords who own equal shares in both to ensure they're ahead of the game. I really wish that political economy was examined more objectively than it is or is taught.
    I agree with that wholeheartedly. What it's really advocating depends on where it's coming from. It's on Photobucket, and I can't readily tell what the artist is about from the site.

    I would say socialism and fascism are the extremes of what it's criticizing. Basically, a political system that screws the people no matter which side it is.
    It does seem that libertarians are the ones criticizing both side. Sometimes, the Paleo-cons do too, seeing the Republicans as neo-con, and in their view, not much better than liberals.

    I hope it is from more people, even outside those movements, becoming wise to what's really going on, as opposed to blaming who the Republicans and Democrats tell you to blame.

    (Just watched Inside Job http://www.sonyclassics.com/insidejob yesterday, and significantly enough at the same time, the news has been reporting large demonstrations by people against the banking system: https://occupywallst.org).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    "stream lined federal government" = Free Market Libertarianism.

    Yeah.

    I bet the rich bankers are shitting themselves about that one.
    They definitely would be shitting themselves. Could you imagine what investment bankers would do in an actual free market? No bailouts, no artificially loose monetary policy, no tax loopholes. . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    I agree with that wholeheartedly. What it's really advocating depends on where it's coming from. It's on Photobucket, and I can't readily tell what the artist is about from the site.

    I would say socialism and fascism are the extremes of what it's criticizing. Basically, a political system that screws the people no matter which side it is.
    It does seem that libertarians are the ones criticizing both side. Sometimes, the Paleo-cons do too, seeing the Republicans as neo-con, and in their view, not much better than liberals.

    I hope it is from more people, even outside those movements, becoming wise to what's really going on, as opposed to blaming who the Republicans and Democrats tell you to blame.

    (Just watched Inside Job http://www.sonyclassics.com/insidejob yesterday, and significantly enough at the same time, the news has been reporting large demonstrations by people against the banking system: https://occupywallst.org).
    Yeah but what does "demonstrations by people against the banking system" mean or amount to?

    I've read and watched the latest coming out of the US fringes which resembles this picture and the "international bankers" is, unfortunately, either a synonym for Jews, that very old plank, or foreign bankers, european or chinese, it is not the banking system per se and in some ways I think it resembles the, equally disappointing but I think more factual, political statements from Europe that American banking has been responsible for the recent recession.

    Ultimately I think what is wrong with banking is never going to be sorted out, no way, not with massive popular pressure and willingness to undergo serious strife and hardship during a period of transition and adjustment, any country which has a government which is so much as luke warm about the banking system and bankers themselves will risk the financial fallout of a loss of confidence. The fact that it depends upon something so subjective as vaguely defined confidence shows how far down the road of voodoo economics and an inability to objectively call a spade a spade we have gone.

    The reason being that anything which will harm confidence, put simply, is anything which looks like making banking accountable, not even talking about a critical appraisal of what banking is and the role it fufils in terms of graduate recruitment, the percentage share that tricks with money actually makes up of the economy etc. Such a critical appraisal is simply impossible. In the UK the out going labour administration tried all kinds of tricks to compell conservatives to face up to many of these things, if only simple things like short selling and amassing fortunes of untaxable income from moving money between accounts and the fact the amount of graduates depending on the city for jobs was unsustainable, the greatest of which was creating a massive debt to try and get some kind of rise in taxes to a reasonable level. Instead the conservatives swept in and the rhetoric about "you wouldnt do this in your own home" worked.

    However the fiscal overlords are just the latest overlords and the wealthy do this, wealth management is their business, they dont have any other work to do and this used to be called class struggles, besides Aristotle and other real classical appraisals of struggles for status and power between potters and soldiers in ancient athens the only people who've paid any sort of conscious attention to this are socialists. So I cant accept the lousy socialism and fascism are wings on the same bird or different sides of the one coin or really just mean democrat/republic or right/left. That's simplifying and nonsensical.

    Although I fufilly understand how you reached that opinion, the best socialists are totally and utterly out of print, the ancient works of Marx and Engels are about as useful as Dickens, however books like GDH Cole's What Everyone Wants to Know About Money, or Credit and Savings or others which were meant to provide objective appraisals of banking power and also invite common people to take control, not simply by votes or delegating decisions to someone else but taking decisions themselves are all but vanished or in private collections gathering dust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    I would say socialism and fascism are the extremes of what it's criticizing. Basically, a political system that screws the people no matter which side it is.
    It does seem that libertarians are the ones criticizing both side. Sometimes, the Paleo-cons do too, seeing the Republicans as neo-con, and in their view, not much better than liberals.
    No, I think you would say that despotic states on the left or right are the extremes of what it's criticizing. "Socialism" is not an inherently despotic political philosophy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    No, I think you would say that despotic states on the left or right are the extremes of what it's criticizing. "Socialism" is not an inherently despotic political philosophy.
    If socialism isn't inherently despotic, then fascism isn't inherently despotic, either. Totalitarianism is, of course, but I think true socialism or fascism (even without racist or extreme nationalist tendencies) tend to despotism, especially in the economic realm.
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    People who accuse me of ranting but then call socialism "inherently despotic like fascism" are the reason I post trollcat memes.


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    I actually think that in the presence of already established democratic/representative institutions, a socialist leaning wards a country away from despotism.
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