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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Idealist View Post
    I like the article; it's just being truthful. Although a parallel version that attacks Democrat Evil would be nice too.
    Except that Democrats aren't evil.

    They just "spend too much money" or something.

    Evil is a trademark of the Republican party. The Dems have other flaws, such as becoming a little too highly organized.

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    Oh, and P.S....the Repubs haven't always been this way.

    There's nothing I love more than having conversations with the married couple I know in their early 80's...both former Republicans who were very successful and owned their own businesses (both of them owned a business) while they still worked.

    Note I say "former Republicans." They wonder what happened to the Republican party even more than I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    Except that Democrats aren't evil.

    They just "spend too much money" or something.

    Evil is a trademark of the Republican party. The Dems have other flaws, such as becoming a little too highly organized.
    At least Republicans are open about their brown shirt agenda. Democrats buy votes with social entitlements. Ever wonder why Lyndon B. Johnson became such a champion of the Great Society? He realized that black people could vote...

    If you are looking to a political organization to solve your problems then you are looking in the wrong place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amazingdatagirl View Post
    At least Republicans are open about their brown shirt agenda. Democrats buy votes with social entitlements. Ever wonder why Lyndon B. Johnson became such a champion of the Great Society? He realized that black people could vote...
    You know that "brownshirt" is a reference to Nazi stormtroopers, right? Although I will admit that it's refreshing to see a Republican supporter (I'm assuming you're one, based on your post) being honest about the use of these tactics.

    "Buying votes with social entitlements" is really just spin. Those programs, including social security (calling this an "entitlement" is deceptive, btw), medicare, etc. have helped millions of people. Why wouldn't a rational voter want their nation's resources diverted into programs that provide economic and health security for its citizens? This paradigm can be taken too far... but in America, it's not gone far enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by amazingdatagirl View Post
    If you are looking to a political organization to solve your problems then you are looking in the wrong place.
    Here (the "government is bad" meme), you're just flat-out wrong. Where else would one look? A military strongman? Be a "lone wolf"? Political organizations, and by that I mean groups of like-minded individuals using nonviolent methods to influence public policy, are the only realistic mechanism to protect the welfare of the typical citizen in a modern industrialized nation. Government isn't the answer to everything. But if you're looking for a nontrivially-populated society that doesn't look like a "strongman/horde of miserable serfs" feudal-type structure, it's absolutely necessary for some things. The rule of law, infrastructure, a social support net, health care, and the military (yes, I put the military last in that list for a reason) simply aren't things that are efficiently provided for on a private level. Some of them are, of course, things from which massive profit can be extracted from the many, to a few, if privatized. Which is why we're in our current "debate".

    What we really need is a Zombie Eisenhower to join the Republican primary, crush Romney and the list of caricatures that are currently making noise (sorry Ron Paul... I disagree with you, but at least you're basically honest) there, win the election, and turn things around. Or at least try.
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    Nicely articulated response, kelric.

    Quote Originally Posted by kelric View Post
    Here (the "government is bad" meme), you're just flat-out wrong. Where else would one look?
    You are reading too much into one sentence at the end of my post. I am quite happy to live in a modern society which is wealthy enough to provide state funded entitlements to its citizens. Social Security and Medicare are very, very important to me at this stage in my life.

    Unfortunately, the post-WWII economy that fueled those kinds of benefits is in decline. Printing more money will not solve the problem. OTOH, I fear that nostalgic, Reagan era free market policies will not save us either. The pragmatic solution is to limit the growth of existing programs AND increase taxes at all levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amazingdatagirl View Post
    You are reading too much into one sentence at the end of my post.
    I apologize if I read too much into it -- the whole totally binary black-and-white "anti-government zealotry" thing is sort of a hot-button thing for me. I'm sorry that I made a bad assumption.

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    I hate reading stuff like this.

    My reason being that there is much of the actions taken by conservatives which I find myself in support of and that is seriously unnerving because dont consider myself any species of conservative, it makes me realise how alienating I find the political camp to which I should or in theory do belong to. It also makes me think is it necessary to compromise my economic objectives or goals in favour of securing certain cultural objectives or goals as political priorities. The answer, from reading material like this, is a resounding YES, which I dont like at all, not at all.

    What bothers me just as much is that in the thin reportage of world news about recessions and, I suspect, public-private alliances in a kind of economic warfare, is that there is a march to reconfigure the global cultural-political divide as one between cultural conservative, fiscally liberal vs. libertarianism and just dispense with anything which remotely opposes fiscal liberalism altogether. I think new labour was part of it in the UK, I definitely believe that Clinton was part of it in the US. I think that by focusing on the minorities agendas liberals are helping in that process too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by earthtrekker1775 View Post
    I wouldnt disagree with this.

    Although is it advocating socialism? Geolibertarianism? The gold standard perhaps? Fascism even? It could be anything.

    Even political or policy debates about gold standards versus commodities linked currencies, the most novel old idea to come out of the political fringes in the US, has just one sure outcome, it will benefit the same rich bankers and overlords who own equal shares in both to ensure they're ahead of the game. I really wish that political economy was examined more objectively than it is or is taught.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I wouldnt disagree with this.

    Although is it advocating socialism? Geolibertarianism? The gold standard perhaps? Fascism even? It could be anything.

    Even political or policy debates about gold standards versus commodities linked currencies, the most novel old idea to come out of the political fringes in the US, has just one sure outcome, it will benefit the same rich bankers and overlords who own equal shares in both to ensure they're ahead of the game. I really wish that political economy was examined more objectively than it is or is taught.
    I am studying at the moment so I can not fully answer due to time constraints. This video will do a much better job than I can. I believe a streamlined Federal Gov't. working for the States and citizens is the only way this country (judged by the freedoms of its people) will prosper in the coming decades.
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