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    Quote Originally Posted by nebbykoo View Post
    Most people have no trouble expressing 'human volition'. It's the 'ethical' part that is problematic. That's why societies have laws.
    Legislation (and even common law, really) aren't ironclad expressions of ethics, though. The vast majority of laws are based on societal expediency, not on a society-wide ethical framework. Forcing people to give to others takes away the ethical matter completely and MAKES it a question of expediency. I think that is wrong.
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    Buy a tent and a horse, and move to Montana. Become a mountain man. I can't think of another way you can live within proximity of civilization, while still maintaining the illusion that you are free of any responsiblity to it.

    But do go to the hospital if you break your leg. They'll fix it for free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridian View Post
    Sorry to ask a dumb question, Marm, but do you have some beef with Fe users? Between this and "you trust authority too much, you must be ESFJ"...
    No these are jokes. My ex is an ESFJ. My best friend is an ENFJ and so is one of my sisters.

    I make sarcastic comments across the board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nebbykoo View Post
    Buy a tent and a horse, and move to Montana. Become a mountail man. I can't think of another way you can live within proximity of civilization, while still maintaining the illusion that you are free of any responsiblity to it.
    I'd rather live in sunny Southern California, but with more freedom than our nanny state currently allows. You're making a classic mistake of conflating "society" or "civilization" with government. They are not the same things, and that is a lesson most people have forgotten over the past century.


    But do go to the hospital if you break your leg. They'll fix it for free.
    I pay for my own health insurance, thank you. I had no health insurance whatsoever for three years, and they were the three healthiest years of my life. It was a requirement upon enrolling in grad school, so I went with the university plan, which is cheaper than the alternatives due to the sheer size of the pool. They should allow private individuals to do the same, and across state lines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nebbykoo View Post
    Libertarianism is a not unlike a child's fantasy. It wants us to celebrate our individual humanity, all the while excluding compassion and empathy from the equation. It reminds me of a 3 year old I know who would always say "NO! I'll do it!" And you let him try, all the while knowing that he can't do it by himself. It's like cutting off all of your fingers in celebration of the opposable thumb.


    Libertarianism is a lot like Marxism in that it provides all kinds of fodder for dorm room bull sessions which is a hell of alot of fun until you actually have to face the reality of what your ideas mean in practice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimrckhnd View Post
    Libertarianism is a lot like Marxism in that it provides all kinds of fodder for dorm room bull sessions which is a hell of alot of fun until you actually have to face the reality of what your ideas mean in practice.
    Explain how. I hear this a lot, but where is the problem of facing reality? What exactly do you mean? This sounds really facile to me.
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    Jesus this debate is inane...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    No these are jokes. My ex is an ESFJ. My best friend is an ENFJ and so is one of my sisters.

    I make sarcastic comments across the board.
    Ah, okay... Sorry if I insulted you. It's just that I've seen a general trend recently (in this forum) of Fe users being portrayed as pushovers/busybodies/diehard traditionalists or whatnot. Or maybe I'm getting paranoid...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimrckhnd View Post
    Libertarianism is a lot like Marxism in that it provides all kinds of fodder for dorm room bull sessions which is a hell of alot of fun until you actually have to face the reality of what your ideas mean in practice.
    Yes, I've often described communism and objectivism (libertarians usually are pretty similar to objectivists) as two sides of the same coin. They both ignore human behavior for unrealistic ideal societies.

    What's interesting is the communists (as I call Marxist-socialists) have achieved far more at actually attempting their vision of society. The libertarian/objectivists haven't even come close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    Yes, I've often described communism and objectivism (libertarians usually are pretty similar to objectivists) as two sides of the same coin. They both ignore human behavior for unrealistic ideal societies.

    What's interesting is the communists (as I call Marxist-socialists) have achieved far more at actually attempting their vision of society. The libertarian/objectivists haven't even come close.
    This is essentially my thinking as well.

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