Wat. So because these people have been hardened by violence, only the violence which they have become accustomed to can make them talk? Why do you use the word "punishment", the point isnt to torture people because they deserve it but to extract information. And it wasnt "liberal minds" that came up with those punishments, they were developed and perfected by years of CIA research. Oh but clearly you know more about making people talk than the CIA, youve seen "Unthinkable".The kind of individuals we use torture on have grown up versed in the language of violence. Such people aren't likely to ever let us in on what they know due to sleep deprivation, isolation or whatever other punishments liberal minds can come up with.
You also assume that the people being tortured are these folks who have been "hardened by war" or whatever bullshit. Most of the high ranking members of Al Qaeda, the ones who actually have useful information, come from rather cushy backgrounds. Bin Laden was the son of a fucking Oil Company.
HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. I dont think you understand, that demographic is EVERYONE. THAT IS WHY IT DOESNT WORK. And how do we distinguish between "soft" and "hard" individuals? I just gave you two examples of completely innocent men who were tortured, ONE OF THEM WORKED A FUCKING DESK JOB. He sure was hardened by the language of violence huh?The kind of people who are likely to to tell us anything we want to make the torture stop, are exactly the kind of people we don't need to be torturing. For softer individuals, softer methods can and do work. And in these instances, we use these methods.
You have yet to give an example of a case where torture produced valuable information. Even if it did you would have to search through all the false information it produced to find the truth.I couldn't give one flying fuck what it does to my reputation. 10 times out of 10 American lives (be they soldier or civilian) outweigh any cares I might have about my reputation.