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    Tell me your thoughts on the organization....

    Conspiracy theories, historical facts, vague impressions, logo design. Hunches on what they could have done. Whatever........

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    Found this pretty good link, a few minutes ago of CIA covert actions that some of you may not be aware of.

    A Timeline of CIA Atrocities

    Some highlights:

    1948
    Covert-action wing created — The CIA recreates a covert action wing, innocuously called the Office of Policy Coordination, led by Wall Street lawyer Frank Wisner. According to its secret charter, its responsibilities include "propaganda, economic warfare, preventive direct action, including sabotage, antisabotage, demolition and evacuation procedures; subversion against hostile states, including assistance to underground resistance groups, and support of indigenous anti-communist elements in threatened countries of the free world."

    1949
    Radio Free Europe — The CIA creates its first major propaganda outlet, Radio Free Europe. Over the next several decades, its broadcasts are so blatantly false that for a time it is considered illegal to publish transcripts of them in the U.S.

    1954
    Guatemala — CIA overthrows the democratically elected Jacob Arbenz in a military coup. Arbenz has threatened to nationalize the Rockefeller-owned United Fruit Company, in which CIA Director Allen Dulles also owns stock. Arbenz is replaced with a series of right-wing dictators whose bloodthirsty policies will kill over 100,000 Guatemalans in the next 40 years.

    1961
    Dominican Republic — The CIA assassinates Rafael Trujillo, a murderous dictator Washington has supported since 1930. Trujillo’s business interests have grown so large (about 60 percent of the economy) that they have begun competing with American business interests.

    Congo (Zaire) — The CIA assassinates the democratically elected Patrice Lumumba. However, public support for Lumumba’s politics runs so high that the CIA cannot clearly install his opponents in power. Four years of political turmoil follow.

    1957-1973
    Laos — The CIA carries out approximately one coup per year trying to nullify Laos’ democratic elections. The problem is the Pathet Lao, a leftist group with enough popular support to be a member of any coalition government. In the late 50s, the CIA even creates an "Armee Clandestine" of Asian mercenaries to attack the Pathet Lao. After the CIA’s army suffers numerous defeats, the U.S. starts bombing, dropping more bombs on Laos than all the U.S. bombs dropped in World War II. A quarter of all Laotians will eventually become refugees, many living in caves.

    1963
    Dominican Republic — The CIA overthrows the democratically elected Juan Bosch in a military coup. The CIA installs a repressive, right-wing junta.

    Ecuador — A CIA-backed military coup overthrows President Arosemana, whose independent (not socialist) policies have become unacceptable to Washington. A military junta assumes command, cancels the 1964 elections, and begins abusing human rights.

    1967
    Greece — A CIA-backed military coup overthrows the government two days before the elections. The favorite to win was George Papandreous, the liberal candidate. During the next six years, the "reign of the colonels" — backed by the CIA — will usher in the widespread use of torture and murder against political opponents. When a Greek ambassador objects to President Johnson about U.S. plans for Cypress, Johnson tells him: "Fuck your parliament and your constitution."

    1968
    Operation CHAOS — The CIA has been illegally spying on American citizens since 1959, but with Operation CHAOS, President Johnson dramatically boosts the effort. CIA agents go undercover as student radicals to spy on and disrupt campus organizations protesting the Vietnam War. They are searching for Russian instigators, which they never find. CHAOS will eventually spy on 7,000 individuals and 1,000 organizations.

    1970
    Cambodia — The CIA overthrows Prince Sahounek, who is highly popular among Cambodians for keeping them out of the Vietnam War. He is replaced by CIA puppet Lon Nol, who immediately throws Cambodian troops into battle. This unpopular move strengthens once minor opposition parties like the Khmer Rouge, which achieves power in 1975 and massacres millions of its own people.

    1971
    Bolivia — After half a decade of CIA-inspired political turmoil, a CIA-backed military coup overthrows the leftist President Juan Torres. In the next two years, dictator Hugo Banzer will have over 2,000 political opponents arrested without trial, then tortured, raped and executed.

    1975
    Australia — The CIA helps topple the democratically elected, left-leaning government of Prime Minister Edward Whitlam. The CIA does this by giving an ultimatum to its Governor-General, John Kerr. Kerr, a longtime CIA collaborator, exercises his constitutional right to dissolve the Whitlam government. The Governor-General is a largely ceremonial position appointed by the Queen; the Prime Minister is democratically elected. The use of this archaic and never-used law stuns the nation.

    1986
    Haiti — Rising popular revolt in Haiti means that "Baby Doc" Duvalier will remain "President for Life" only if he has a short one. The U.S., which hates instability in a puppet country, flies the despotic Duvalier to the South of France for a comfortable retirement. The CIA then rigs the upcoming elections in favor of another right-wing military strongman. However, violence keeps the country in political turmoil for another four years. The CIA tries to strengthen the military by creating the National Intelligence Service (SIN), which suppresses popular revolt through torture and assassination.

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    Trujillo was assassinated by a group of Latin Americans, and it wasn't because his "business interests" were interfering with U.S. interests. He was growing increasingly paranoid and had attempted to murder the president of Venezuela (who may or may not have tried to help overthrow Trujillo). There was evidence that the assassins were using weapons supplied by the CIA, but to assert that he was killed by the United States because he was too rich is really off-base (going "off the reservation," so to speak, is a lot closer to the true reasoning). And, in looking further at that website, it's highly biased and rather paranoid itself, actually.

    BTW, that essay by Einstein on socialism is very disappointing. Such a brilliant man, but his grasp on economics was tenuous at best. He could easily have been defeated in a debate by an undergrad Econ major.
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    Oh, and the Radio Free Europe one is completely false, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Oh, and the Radio Free Europe one is completely false, too.
    It's not completely false. It was an instrument of the CIA and it did broadcast anti-communist propaganda. It probably didn't have to deceive or lie to find ways to smear the communists though.

    Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Trujillo was assassinated by a group of Latin Americans, and it wasn't because his "business interests" were interfering with U.S. interests. He was growing increasingly paranoid and had attempted to murder the president of Venezuela (who may or may not have tried to help overthrow Trujillo). There was evidence that the assassins were using weapons supplied by the CIA, but to assert that he was killed by the United States because he was too rich is really off-base (going "off the reservation," so to speak, is a lot closer to the true reasoning).
    Rafael Trujillo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    According to American reporter Bernard Diederich, the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) had supplied some of the guns used to kill the president.[citation needed] In a report to the Deputy Attorney General of the United States, CIA officials described the agency as having "no active part" in the assassination and only a "faint connection" with the groups that planned the killing.[5] However, an internal CIA memorandum states that an Office of Inspector General investigation into Trujillo's murder disclosed "quite extensive Agency involvement with the plotters." [6]
    So no, the "business interests" angle seems highly unlikely as a valid explanation, but you can't dismiss the CIA's role in the assassination as easily as that.

    Edit: But yes, that site is biased in it's explanations.
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    I just had a long double post get double-deleted. Rundown:

    1. Of course Radio Free Europe was CIA propaganda
    2. It has never been illegal to publish something false in the United States, unless:
    3. You get sued for libel, which the Soviet Union could not do
    4. They didn't need to change much for the propaganda
    5. In fact, the Soviet Union was even poorer and less productive than even the CIA estimated (uncited statistic that the CIA estimate was that the U.S.S.R.'s economy was about 65-70% of the U.S.'s in the 1960s, when it turned out to be about 28-30% the size)
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    I just had a long double post get double-deleted. Rundown:

    1. Of course Radio Free Europe was CIA propaganda
    2. It has never been illegal to publish something false in the United States, unless:
    3. You get sued for libel, which the Soviet Union could not do
    4. They didn't need to change much for the propaganda
    5. In fact, the Soviet Union was even poorer and less productive than even the CIA estimated (uncited statistic that the CIA estimate was that the U.S.S.R.'s economy was about 65-70% of the U.S.'s in the 1960s, when it turned out to be about 28-30% the size)
    I agree with all these points and find the last one hilarious. The American propaganda machine didn't even come close to portraying the Soviet Union in as bad a light as the reality called for.

    I just objected to the claim that it was "completely false" thinking you denied any CIA affiliation with Radio Free Europe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carebear View Post
    I agree with all these points and find the last one hilarious. The American propaganda machine didn't even come close to portraying the Soviet Union in as bad a light as the reality called for.

    I just objected to the claim that it was "completely false" thinking you denied any CIA affiliation with Radio Free Europe.
    Oh, I thought that affiliation went without saying.
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    What an interesting thread!

    I do think, though, it might be useful to mention the limitations of propaganda.

    For instance, propaganda is neither true nor false rather it is plausible or implausible.

    This places a limitation on how much truth or falsehood, for that matter, that can be told. In other words propaganda cannot tell a truth or lie that is implausible.

    So for instance the Concentration Camps of WW II were not used in propaganda because no one would believe such horror was possible in civilized Europe.

    So the truth about the Camps was not told because it was implausible.

    And in the same way the truth about the Soviet Union was not told because it was implausible - it was unbelievable - and propaganda must first and foremost be believable.

    I mean the Nazis killed 12 million of their own people, six million being Jews while, across the globe, the Communists killed 100 million* of their own people. So you can see the problem the propagandists had.

    So the important thing is to see propaganda from the propagandists side. And for the propagandist the only thing that matters is that the propaganda is plausible - it is completely irrevelant whether it is true or false - the propagandist is just as happy to tell the truth as they are to tell a lie - as long as it is believed.

    But tell me, sweet reader, do you find this easy to believe?

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    * I sourced this figure from, "The Black Book of Communism", by left-wing, French intellectuals.

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