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    Senior Member millerm277's Avatar
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    Your score is...51

    51-90 points: You are a medium-core libertarian, probably self-consciously so. Your friends probably encourage you to quit talking about your views so much. That's about right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Wow, that reasoning is mindboggling. How would small government, free markets, and individual liberties be totalitarian? Isn't that a contradiction in terms?
    The (usual) argument is that completely free-market ideologies place too much power in the hands of private institutions who don't respond to the needs of the citizens in the same way a democratic society should.

    That's why the first anarchist/libertarians were socialists, who believed in extending democracy to the workplace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    If you were a true libertarian, with truly liberal economic and social views, then wouldn't that make you an anarchist?

    And my score was 38.
    I find it ironic that you got a higher score than me

    Not entirely surprised though.

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    I got 80.
    51-90 points: You are a medium-core libertarian, probably self-consciously so. Your friends probably encourage you to quit talking about your views so much.
    Most of the ones I disagreed with were on economics, I am more or less a libertarian socialist.
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    Oh our 3rd person reference to ourselves denotes nothing more than we realize we are epic characters on the forum.

    Narcissism, plain and simple.

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    68. I like freedom.
    No offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nemo View Post
    The (usual) argument is that completely free-market ideologies place too much power in the hands of private institutions who don't respond to the needs of the citizens in the same way a democratic society should.

    That's why the first anarchist/libertarians were socialists, who believed in extending democracy to the workplace.
    The second point is not really true. The first anarchists most likely pre-date recorded history, as they would have been anyone who resisted the imposition of some form of government before there was any (outside of whatever form of societal give-and-take our earliest ancestors had). However, I have read fairly extensively on different forms of anarchism and realize that anarcho-capitalism has little to do with, say, anarcho-syndicalism or the final theoretical state of communism, in which the state has withered away (a practical impossibility, it would seem).

    As to the question of corporations in a libertarian society, I understand the fear that many have. Especially nowadays, corporations and government have gotten extraordinarily large, and are often in cahoots (see the writing of Gabriel Kolko about the Progressive Era). However, corporations generally are far MORE responsive to citizens because they face financial ruin if they screw up. Coca-Cola, for instance, lost millions when they ran out New Coke and people stayed away from it in droves (even after extensive market testing that said they loved it beforehand). As someone once said, the perversity of the American buying public is the bane of the corporate executive. And, in reality, a free market is not the same "pro-business." Libertarians decry competition-squelching regulations and financial-sector bailouts with at least as much vigor as does the left. I believe that Archer Daniels Midland was the #1 beneficiary of welfare in the United States in the 1990s, and they take in billions of dollars a year in revenue. That is disgusting to libertarians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 6sticks View Post
    68. I like freedom.
    I got a 68, as well! Bryan Caplan is an interesting character, too. He wrote an interesting book called The Myth of the Rational Voter, about the biases that most people bring into the voting booth. Some people trashed it, because we have tended to hold "democracy" as sacred these days, when it's actually just a means to an end. I, for one, would give up my right to vote forever if I never had to pay taxes again.
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    I beleive that we're supposed to be posting our test scores here, not arguing over things- that can be another thread!
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    I beleive that we're supposed to be posting our test scores here, not arguing over things- that can be another thread!
    But political discussions are fun! They are also, oddly, more civil online in my experience. People can get very agitated when discussing politics, sex, religion, etc. in person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    I beleive that we're supposed to be posting our test scores here, not arguing over things- that can be another thread!
    That would be boring...posting only test scores, that is.
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