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    This would probably be very beneficial for @Lark to read:

    Homophobes Gay? Study Ties Anti-Gay Outlook To Homosexuality, Authoritarian Parenting

    By: Jeanna Bryner, LiveScience Managing Editor
    Published: 04/09/2012 01:01 PM EDT on LiveScience

    Homophobics should consider a little self-reflection, suggests a new study finding those individuals who are most hostile toward gays and hold strong anti-gay views may themselves have same-sex desires, albeit undercover ones.

    The prejudice of homophobia may also stem from authoritarian parents, particularly those with homophobic views as well, the researchers added.

    "This study shows that if you are feeling that kind of visceral reaction to an out-group, ask yourself, 'Why?'" co-author Richard Ryan, a professor of psychology at the University of Rochester, said in a statement. "Those intense emotions should serve as a call to self-reflection."

    The research, published in the April 2012 issue of the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, reveals the nuances of prejudices like homophobia, which can ultimately have dire consequences. [The 10 Most Destructive Human Behaviors]

    "Sometimes people are threatened by gays and lesbians because they are fearing their own impulses, in a sense they 'doth protest too much,'" Ryan told LiveScience. "In addition, it appears that sometimes those who would oppress others have been oppressed themselves, and we can have some compassion for them too, they may be unaccepting of others because they cannot be accepting of themselves."

    Ryan cautioned, however, that this link is only one source of anti-gay sentiments.

    Hidden homosexuality

    In four studies, the researchers looked at the discrepancies between what people say about their sexual orientation and their implicit sexual orientation based on a reaction-time test. The studies involved college students from Germany and the United States.

    For the implicit measure, students had to categorize words and pictures flashed onto a computer screen into "gay" or "straight" groups. Words included "gay," "straight," "homosexual" and "heterosexual," while the pictures showed straight and gay couples. Before each trial, participants were primed with the word "me" or "others" flashed momentarily onto a computer screen. The researchers said quicker reaction time for "me" and "gay," and a slower association of "me" with "straight" would indicate said an implicit gay orientation. [Why Gay Parents May Be the Best Parents]

    In another experiment, the researchers measured implicit sexual orientation by having participants choose to browse same-sex or opposite-sex photos on a computer screen.

    Questionnaires also teased out the parenting style the participants were exposed to, with students asked how much they agreed or disagreed with statements such as: "I felt controlled and pressured in certain ways;" and "I felt free to be who I am." To gauge homophobia in a household, students responded to items such as, "It would be upsetting for my mom to find out she was alone with a lesbian" or "My dad avoids gay men whenever possible."

    Participants indicated their own level of homophobia, both overt and implicit; in word-completion tasks, students wrote down the first three words that came to mind when prompted with some of the words' letters. Students were primed at some point with the word "gay" to see how that impacted the amount of aggressive words used.

    Controlling parents

    In all of the studies, participants who reported supportive and accepting parents were more in touch with their implicit sexual orientation, meaning it tended to jibe with their outward sexual orientation. Students who indicated they came from authoritarian homes showed the biggest discrepancy between the two measures of sexual orientation.

    "In a predominately heterosexual society, 'know thyself' can be a challenge for many gay individuals," lead author Netta Weinstein, a lecturer at the University of Essex in the United Kingdom,said in a statement. "But in controlling and homophobic homes, embracing a minority sexual orientation can be terrifying."[5 Ways to Foster Self-Compassion in Your Child]

    Those participants who reported their heterosexuality despite having hidden same-sex desires were also the most likely to show hostility toward gay individuals, including self-reported anti-gay attitudes, endorsement of anti-gay policies and discrimination such as supporting harsher punishments for homosexuals.

    The research may help to explain the underpinnings of anti-gay bullying and hate crimes, the researchers note. People in denial about their own sexual orientation, perhaps a denial fostered by authoritarian and homophobic parents, may feel a threat from other gay and lesbian individuals. Lashing out may ultimately be an indicator of the person's own internal conflict with sexual orientation.

    This inner conflict can be seen in some high-profile cases in which anti-gay public figures are caught engaging in same-sex acts, the researchers say. For instance, evangelical preacher and anti-gay-marriage advocate Ted Haggard was caught in a gay sex scandal in 2006. And in 2010, prominent anti-gay activist and co-founder of conservative Family Research Council George Rekers was reportedly spotted in 2010 with a male escort rented from Rentboy.com. According to news reports, the escort confirmed Rekers is gay.

    "We laugh at or make fun of such blatant hypocrisy, but in a real way, these people may often themselves be victims of repression and experience exaggerated feelings of threat," Ryan said. "Homophobia is not a laughing matter. It can sometimes have tragic consequences," as was the case in the 1998 murder of Matthew Shepard, a gay man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Given that I dont have an external locus of personality I'm not worried about and dont need validation of myself and my opinions from strangers online, including a forum poll, in fact.... at you
    Non sequitur must have been your major.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iwakar View Post
    Obama said the issue was more generational than political and I'm inclined to agree. My brother is as Republican as they come, but he has gay friends and supports their civil rights. He sharply splits from his conservative elders on this point. On this particular issue, younger generations are pretty on board, the trouble is they're lazy and apathetic, like we all were once.
    I hope not too lazy and apathetic to vote. That's all you have to do, youngbloods. Rouse your asses to the poll on voting day and do your duty. Please, I beg you, o you hope of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    You know I've never met a homosexual who felt that heterosexuality was valid? I never met a homosexual who didnt hit on their straight company and make remarks that heterosexuals should experiment? Now that is something I've never done, I've never tried to talk anyone out of their identified sexuality once they have made it clear that its not a phase, novel experience or anything else like that. What I make of that is that homosexuality is as much a normative or cultural movement as it is anything else, whether a genetic or biochemical causative factor is discovered or not, and given that everything seeks to try to reproduce itself, and homosexuals can not do that as heterosexual families can they will seek to do it in other ways, culturally, by the spreading and uptake of their norms.
    Ah...so you do think it's catching. Or that people will have to be okay to be hit on by someone homosexual despite being heterosexual?

    It seems we never learn. Times change, norms change, the unacceptable becomes acceptable and the sun still rises the next day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EffEmDoubleyou View Post
    I have to ask you what your definition of "normative" is. Do you believe that the homosexual agenda seeks to make homosexuality the predominant coupling arrangement? Or do you think it just seeks to find a place at the table; to posit that despite being a mathematical minority, homosexuality is an apolitical natural state?

    On another topic, does your last sentence mean that you believe eventually homosexuals will try to shape the culture in a way that makes it a discriminatory act to restrict your sexual desires to the opposite gender?
    My last sentence is the one about ambivalence to authority? The legacy of the repeated attacking of authority per se since the war, usually with reference to totalitarian states and illegitimate authority as authority per se, has resulted in people becoming ambivalent about who should be affirmative about it, so you have people in authority who are sufficiently worried about being authoritarian to sacrifice being authoritative. The result are parents who dont really want to parent and attempt to pair bond with their children or treat them as peers, there are other sorts of abdicating of authority too, leaders who dont lead etc.

    The trends and changes which making homosexuality normative and giving it parity with heterosexuality will only mean that the majority will experience the confusion and ambivalence which was once the preserve of the minority (homosexuals), imagine the consequences associated with authority only experienced by everyone and of a more fundamental nature. I would consider that disasterous, not a dramatic collapse, just creeping misery.

    I mean normative in the sociological sense, in the context of a homosexual subculture or community the establishment of norms makes sense and is fine, although seeking to establish norms which govern both the minority of homosexuals and majority of heterosexuals makes much less sense and will only spell misery.

    No matter how accepting or tolerant heterosexuals are or will be towards homosexuals they will still be heterosexuals and will not share their feelings or orientation, that will not prove sufficient for homosexuals, I believe, because none of the increased acceptance over time from when homosexuality was no longer considered a disorder or pathologised has proved sufficient. Like an unhealthy relationship the craving for acceptance or validation on one party and the inability of the other to provide it on the other hand will leave both alienated from each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iwakar View Post
    Thank goodness the abolitionists didn't agree. Every majority was a minority at some point. This is not faulty logic, this is the absence of logic.
    You think there's moral equivalence between anti-racism and gay "marriage", well I cant give you points for originally but you're doing well at recycling old, bad arguments.

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    Their agenda is for everybody to be gay. And then there will be no more people. Interesting. I wonder if they're all extremists of the Gaia-ist type, who feel that human beings are an infestation of the planet. That's probably their real agenda. Those homosexuals. Always up to something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iwakar View Post
    Obama said the issue was more generational than political and I'm inclined to agree. My brother is as Republican as they come, but he has gay friends and supports their civil rights. He sharply splits from his conservative elders on this point. On this particular issue, younger generations are pretty on board, the trouble is they're lazy and apathetic, like we all were once.
    Homosexuals have civil rights as distinct from heterosexuals or, you know, individuals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Non sequitur must have been your major.
    You made it to laughing stock in record time in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    My last sentence is the one about ambivalence to authority? The legacy of the repeated attacking of authority per se since the war, usually with reference to totalitarian states and illegitimate authority as authority per se, has resulted in people becoming ambivalent about who should be affirmative about it, so you have people in authority who are sufficiently worried about being authoritarian to sacrifice being authoritative. The result are parents who dont really want to parent and attempt to pair bond with their children or treat them as peers, there are other sorts of abdicating of authority too, leaders who dont lead etc.

    The trends and changes which making homosexuality normative and giving it parity with heterosexuality will only mean that the majority will experience the confusion and ambivalence which was once the preserve of the minority (homosexuals), imagine the consequences associated with authority only experienced by everyone and of a more fundamental nature. I would consider that disasterous, not a dramatic collapse, just creeping misery.

    I mean normative in the sociological sense, in the context of a homosexual subculture or community the establishment of norms makes sense and is fine, although seeking to establish norms which govern both the minority of homosexuals and majority of heterosexuals makes much less sense and will only spell misery.

    No matter how accepting or tolerant heterosexuals are or will be towards homosexuals they will still be heterosexuals and will not share their feelings or orientation, that will not prove sufficient for homosexuals, I believe, because none of the increased acceptance over time from when homosexuality was no longer considered a disorder or pathologised has proved sufficient. Like an unhealthy relationship the craving for acceptance or validation on one party and the inability of the other to provide it on the other hand will leave both alienated from each other.
    It has proved sufficient, though. As has been pointed out, this is largely a generational thing.
    And it's not about how you personally feel about homosexuality. You may not like it. You may be against it. That still doesn't give you the right to prevent homosexuals from seeking the benefits of legal marriage just like any other citizen.

    I also would argue that experiencing confusion about your sexual identity happens to some people whether they have access to experimentation or not. Having access to experimentation without fear of condemnation or stigma could actually make it easier and quicker to sort this out.

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