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  • Should be given

    158 92.94%
  • Should not be given

    9 5.29%
  • Could tolerate gay couples, but can't tolerate gay marriages

    9 5.29%
  • Can't tolerate gay marriages or couples

    3 1.76%
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    Quote Originally Posted by fia View Post
    This issue is not seeking to take rights away from anyone. The majority still keeps all the rights they have ever possessed for their own marriages and personal lives. The only right conceivably taken away is the right to control other people's personal lives.
    That's true, but that's not the issue religion-based objections to gay marriage are based on. You're arguing the wrong point. It's not about rights, it's about the value of marriage. If gay people are allowed to marry, then they share the same ceremony as heterosexual couples, but those who object do not believe that what they consider unlike relationships should share a like ceremony.

    To them, it's as if a man were allowed to enter the Miss America pageant. They think two things:

    1. "Why do you even want to be here? Are you trolling us?"
    2. "When men are allowed to enter the Miss America pageant, identifying as a woman becomes a farce because all the characteristics we've associated with being a woman have been rendered invalid."

    So it's not that they are afraid their rights are being infringed. It just makes them feel like their own marriage is devalued if the definition of marriage is expanded to the point where it becomes meaningless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    This was a smart move for Obama. If he continued shuffling his feet on the issue, the lack of enthusiasm on the left would continue to grow.
    I think the growing rumbles of discontent from progressives, liberals, and his base were tarnishing his image. I agree it's risky, but I hope it pays off. I also *hope* they have a plan to energize the base and don't assume this is their silver bullet either.
    "The purpose of life is to be defeated by greater and greater things." - Rainer Maria Rilke

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    This election will be won by the campaign that most deftly articulates its policy plan for addressing weak jobs growth and the financial crisis.
    The key word is 'deftly'. That could mean almost anything, including subtly dodging the topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    This was a smart move for Obama. If he continued shuffling his feet on the issue, the lack of enthusiasm on the left would continue to grow.

    The question becomes, is the galvanizing (an energizing) effect this announcement will have on younger voters going to outweigh the fact that Obama has just given the other side a huge target to rally around.

    Gay marriage is cool and all, but I don't think this will be a silver bullet for his campaign.

    This election will be won by the campaign that most deftly articulates its policy plan for addressing weak jobs growth and the financial crisis.
    The free market conservatives in the UK favour gay marriage and have used it to affirm their commitments to a secular atheistic society.

    I actually suspect that homosexuality is the norm of some of the richest and most powerful transnational capitalist elites. The political elites which are in government are trying to make all the right signals to this other elite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Which would make sense if the homosexual agenda has ever been about simply going their own way and doing their own thing, minding their own business. It has never been. Its exactly the problem I have with it.
    Do tell. What do you believe the "homosexual agenda" is, and who is behind it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    The free market conservatives in the UK favour gay marriage and have used it to affirm their commitments to a secular atheistic society.

    I actually suspect that homosexuality is the norm of some of the richest and most powerful transnational capitalist elites. The political elites which are in government are trying to make all the right signals to this other elite.
    Ah, you just answered my question.

    Anyone, where's the paranoid smiley?

    Edit: Aha! Found it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    The key word is 'deftly'. That could mean almost anything, including subtly dodging the topic.
    Unfortunate but true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    The free market conservatives in the UK favour gay marriage and have used it to affirm their commitments to a secular atheistic society.

    I actually suspect that homosexuality is the norm of some of the richest and most powerful transnational capitalist elites. The political elites which are in government are trying to make all the right signals to this other elite.
    Makes sense; gay marriage seems to fit perfectly into a consumerist mentality of market societies when you think about it.

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    Please do elaborate on "the homosexual agenda." That phrase turns my heart straight to stone, I must admit. But since this is a fairly safe place, I'll ask you -- what are you talking about? What is "the homosexual agenda"?

    Also, as far as marriage goes, do you reckon the church has an agenda? If so, would you talk about that?

    Just interested to hear your thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EffEmDoubleyou View Post
    That's true, but that's not the issue religion-based objections to gay marriage are based on. You're arguing the wrong point. It's not about rights, it's about the value of marriage. If gay people are allowed to marry, then they share the same ceremony as heterosexual couples, but those who object do not believe that what they consider unlike relationships should share a like ceremony.

    To them, it's as if a man were allowed to enter the Miss America pageant. They think two things:

    1. "Why do you even want to be here? Are you trolling us?"
    2. "When men are allowed to enter the Miss America pageant, identifying as a woman becomes a farce because all the characteristics we've associated with being a woman have been rendered invalid."

    So it's not that they are afraid their rights are being infringed. It just makes them feel like their own marriage is devalued if the definition of marriage is expanded to the point where it becomes meaningless.
    What is so beautiful about this is that it actually comes down to nothing more than short string of certain sounds or letters.

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