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  • Should be given

    158 92.94%
  • Should not be given

    9 5.29%
  • Could tolerate gay couples, but can't tolerate gay marriages

    9 5.29%
  • Can't tolerate gay marriages or couples

    3 1.76%
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    Quote Originally Posted by HelenOfTroy View Post
    Lemmi fix this for you



    There fixed
    I hope you dont feel any wish to remove this, it serves as a very good example of how you respond to an attempt to open a dialogue but I would imagine that at some point this sort of post becomes embarrassing, particularly if you are trying to represent yourself as the more enlightened, tolerant and open side of the equation or divide in opinion.

    Thanks for contribution this, it makes a very good point. I wouldnt seek to strike any opinions I dont agree with from the record and consider it "fixed", I would simply disagree, make my points as to why and allow people to decide for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    If the topic of gay marriage was important to you, you had already decided for either Obama, who was known to be pro, or for Romney, who was known to be against it. I believe this coming-out will turn out well for Obama simply because it is a lot easier to show that a ban on gay marriage is unfair than to convince someone that allowing it is morally or socially wrong. Obama just needs to work his rhetorical magic. I assume the majority of haters live in states that he was unlikely to win anyway.
    I agree with that. I also think it'll silence the (arguably, large) section of the population arguing that he's too centrist and indistinguishable from the other side because he's been pandering to the undecideds and conservatives to safeguard the next election. This was not a "middle-of-the-road" move at all and sets him squarely against Mitt Romney, so it'll be harder to make that accusation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    OK, I'll try and drain some of the emotions of for you here because you really seem not to want to emotionally self-regulate and when that happens there's no dialogue taking place at all.

    Equal rights for minorities, why is that "fucking insane"? What is your understanding of equal rights? Is it uniformity? Would you suggest then that the minority of individuals who are blind should have an equal, uniform, right to visit art galleries or exhibitions? Can you see how little sense that makes?

    I have, here, and before tried to make it clear that what is being discussed is not a right but the attempt, well intentioned as it is, to make a minority happy, the guarantee them happiness, by validating their identity and choices by throwing over organically evolved social institutions and meaning which have served the majority, who have their own legitimate identity and choices which are different to that of the minority, well and will continue to.

    Do I know what it is to be marginalised and a minority? Sure, I appear to be in the minority opinion on the forum when it comes to norms, values, tradition and on this topic, I am a Roman Catholic in predominantly protestant, british loyalist and Orange north coast of Ireland, I am a socialist thinker on a forum which is predominantly libertarian in opinion, certainly economically so, and while I identify as a socialist I oppose a lot of what passes for socialism, certainly what passes for political socialism a lot of the time and most of those within trade unions, including my own, who go by that label. So yes I know what it is like to be a minority. In those respects I am a minority. In respect of my sexuality I am heterosexual and therefore in the majority. The experience of being a minority and majority has taught me a lot about minority and majority relations but it has not taught me that by being, merely, either a majority or a minority that you are entited to something as of right.

    Why do you conflate the unemployed, mentally ill, vulnerable children etc. with homosexuals? I dont understand your reasoning there, besides some sort of confused partisanship. Similarly I dont understand why you believe I would be interested in UKIP, again I would suppose that this is to do with your own pigeon holing of my political opinions. Game playing, and particular "cow boys and indians" is a poor substitute for any meaningful dialogue or discussion.
    I post quoted you in post 324, those are my reasons. Yes i believe blind people should be allowed to go to art galleries too... shock horror.
    So do you then think some minorities should have equal rights and others shouldn't? I was under the impression from your post that it was all minorities. So exactly which minorities should be allowed equal rights. Should we not allow blind people to marry?
    What you seem to be inferring is that having gay marriges legalised would somehow threaten heterosexual marriges. Thats just plain
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I have, here, and before tried to make it clear that what is being discussed is not a right but the attempt, well intentioned as it is, to make a minority happy, the guarantee them happiness, by validating their identity and choices by throwing over organically evolved social institutions and meaning which have served the majority, who have their own legitimate identity and choices which are different to that of the minority, well and will continue to.
    This sounds suspiciously like the minority isn't happy and receiving validation because it's not doing/believing/embracing what the majority is and too bad for them. That's just what they get for being a minority?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I hope you dont feel any wish to remove this, it serves as a very good example of how you respond to an attempt to open a dialogue but I would imagine that at some point this sort of post becomes embarrassing, particularly if you are trying to represent yourself as the more enlightened, tolerant and open side of the equation or divide in opinion.

    Thanks for contribution this, it makes a very good point. I wouldnt seek to strike any opinions I dont agree with from the record and consider it "fixed", I would simply disagree, make my points as to why and allow people to decide for themselves.
    Lark, you have been playing the same sad broken record for a very long time. I don't think you have skeletons, i think you possibly have Narnia in there.
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    A man invents. A parasite says, 'Watch out, or you might tread on the toes of God... '


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    This was a smart move for Obama. If he continued shuffling his feet on the issue, the lack of enthusiasm on the left would continue to grow.

    The question becomes, is the galvanizing (an energizing) effect this announcement will have on younger voters going to outweigh the fact that Obama has just given the other side a huge target to rally around.

    Gay marriage is cool and all, but I don't think this will be a silver bullet for his campaign.

    This election will be won by the campaign that most deftly articulates its policy plan for addressing weak jobs growth and the financial crisis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HelenOfTroy View Post
    I post quoted you in post 324, those are my reasons. Yes i believe blind people should be allowed to go to art galleries too... shock horror.
    In truth you do not understand the point I was making.

    So do you then think some minorities should have equal rights and others shouldn't? I was under the impression from your post that it was all minorities.
    I do not believe that purely by virtue of having the status of being a minority or a majority that anyone possesses particular rights or entitlements. I also do not believe that equal rights are synomynous with uniformity.

    So exactly which minorities should be allowed equal rights. Should we not allow blind people to marry?
    What you seem to be inferring is that having gay marriges legalised would somehow threaten heterosexual marriges. Thats just plain
    Marriage is a relationship between a man and woman, whether they are blind or not does not matter, as I have said before marriage is an organic social institution, it evolved over time, it emerged and developed not because it was a concept or idea or ideological precept or thought which can be changed at will to suit popular tastes or contemporary habits or the rise and fall of fashionable conventions. It was a norm before it was recognised as such, it is something which is impressed upon or stamped upon the human species from birth like an ancestoral memory embedded by its proving effacious through tradition and time.

    It is objectively a relationship between a man and a woman, whatever the state or any other authority, that of popular opinion, ideology or religion, may say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HelenOfTroy View Post
    Lark, you have been playing the same sad broken record for a very long time. I don't think you have skeletons, i think you possibly have Narnia in there.
    I'm not sure what you're trying to say in this post, it looks like you're unable to provide any persuasive counter point, and you know it, so you're trying to make mock and appear witty or clever. That is a shame. Although more shame you than I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post


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    Which would make sense if the homosexual agenda has ever been about simply going their own way and doing their own thing, minding their own business. It has never been. Its exactly the problem I have with it.

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