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  • Should be given

    158 92.94%
  • Should not be given

    9 5.29%
  • Could tolerate gay couples, but can't tolerate gay marriages

    9 5.29%
  • Can't tolerate gay marriages or couples

    3 1.76%
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    Quote Originally Posted by YourLocalJesus View Post
    Honestly... Sometimes I feel a bit like Don Quixote.
    Holding on to chivalry is something utterly lost to you lot.
    No matter what I say or do, you will not change your ways.
    Until media starts talking you into becoming conservatives...
    The people affected by Mob Mentality™ (yes, you) will be... "Liberal" until someone tells you what to do through suggestion over time.
    This thing is like a sine wave, and we'll probably be somewhere else entirely in thirty years or so.
    I think this is because a lot, even a majority of people, lack an inner compass.
    Or rather the combination of strong feeling and morals imprinted and learned through experience and feeling.
    They (you) do not see things for how they truly are, but are told what is what by your peers.
    Right now, among young people, this crap is not wrong...
    But there used to be a death sentence attached to it. While that is harsh, indeed, I am one of those who thinks, feels and knows, with my whole heart, that this is wrong.
    It is a twisted and sick thing that should be confined to the shadows and not see the light of day, like many other nasty sexual orientations (pedophilia, zoophilia, necrophilia etc.).

    Now, this does not mean that I hate any or all gay people. I pity the poor bastards that they weren't born right in the head, or were made such by their environment.
    Not sure it can even be "cured", since that doesn't seem to help with any other sexual orientation, either. So I guess it must exist, but it does not mean that it is good.
    Many other unhealthy variations of behavior exist, as well. Some of them are punished while others have been commercialized and forced upon people by liberal media and immoral politicians.

    No, screw this. I hate thinking about it, because I feel like i'm trying to fight the tide with a willow switch. Or windmills...


    I voted: "Should not be given" and "Could tolerate gay couples(in secret, unofficially), but can't tolerate gay marriages(since it is neither normal or could ever be equal to the holy sanctity of marriage)".


    Why do you believe that it is through group think and brainwashing that people come to other conclusions? Where do your beliefs come from? Were you simply born with them then, or did they also come from somewhere external? I could debate with you the nature of our volition but this isn't really the place for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    As an addition to this line of thought, aren't all heterosexuals and LGBTs people, hence people deserve the same rights?
    Homosexual and heterosexual have the same rights. An heteorosexual man can marry with a woman, and an homosexual man can marry with a woman too. They have the same rights.

    It's not the job of the state to promote alternatives sexuality or to promote the liberals' agenda, that's all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antimony View Post
    Do you mean homosexuals?

    And that was precisely my point. Or Native Americans who are half Indian marrying someone Japanese. That is certainly not the norm.
    Homosexuals are covered by the LGBT descriptor, where heteros aren't. I was emphasizing that sexual preferences between consenting adults doesn't change personhood.

    Yes, we agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    Homosexual and heterosexual have the same rights. An heteorosexual man can marry with a woman, and an homosexual man can marry with a woman too. They have the same rights.

    It's not the job of the state to promote alternatives sexuality or to promote the liberals' agenda, that's all.
    It is the right to marry the gender you are attracted to. Whose job is it?

    Also, a woman can't marry a woman. So what is the right? Is it just the right to marry only the opposite sex?

    By the way, I am curious- where do transsexuals fall in this argument? Can a female-to male marry a woman?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    Homosexual and heterosexual have the same rights. An heteorosexual man can marry with a woman, and an homosexual man can marry with a woman too. They have the same rights.
    Why "must" marriage encompass one man and one woman? And before you use breeding as an excuse, there are more than enough infertile couples and couples who don't want children, who are allowed to and do marry.

    It's not the job of the state to promote alternatives sexuality or to promote the liberals' agenda, that's all.
    It's not the job of the state to promote discrimination and violate human rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antimony View Post
    If they are two consenting adults, well, that is different from bestiality and pedophilia, where often there isn't that much of a choice for the other party.
    Yes, that's the most basic distinction between a homosexual relationship between two adults, vs a relationship that is either lacking of volition and/or power on at least one side of things. It's such a basic and obvious distinction, I have trouble entertaining seriously arguments that ignore it.

    re: transmarriages. That's an issue of irony in that states that are least friendly to homosexuals and transsexuals have set themselves up to permit marriages where the union can LOOK totally like a homosexual union to all observers... but since the state refuses to acknowledge the gender change of the transsexual, they are legally permitted to marry.

    So two people who look and act like men or two people that look and act like women can be legally wed as long as one was declared male and other female on their birth certificates. But to the rest of the world, it looks just like a same-sex marriage.

    It also creates a paradox, in a marriage where two people were legally joined, one undergoes a sex change years later, so that both spouses -- legally married in their state -- are now either legally male or legally female. Not only that, but they've typically established a secure monogamous union, they've raised children, they've built a household, they've worked jobs and paid taxes, they've contributed to society just as any relationship where neither partner is transsexual. Currently the states allow such marriages to persist; one of the issues with DOMA is that it was unclear whether the federal government would attempt to sunder marriages that were legitimately approved by the state in question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antimony View Post
    It is the right to marry the gender you are attracted to. Whose job is it?
    Gays have this right. Noibody prevent him to create their own church and own institutions wich consider their couples as marriage. Or to build a casino in Las Vegas where the winner can marry with a person of the same sex, and wear a white dress.
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    I am pre-emptively teaching my 4 yo that boys can marry girls, but sometimes boys marry boys and girls marry girls, because they love one another and that to marry is about love and caring, not labels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    Gays have this right. Noibody prevent him to create their own church and own institutions wich consider their couples as marriage. Or to build a casino in Las Vegas where the winner can marry with a person of the same sex, and wear a white dress.
    Please. It's obvious we've been discussing the legal privileges that come with marriage, not whether someone can get married in their church and have it recognized by the church.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post

    re: transmarriages. That's an issue of irony in that states that are least friendly to homosexuals and transsexuals have set themselves up to permit marriages where the union can LOOK totally like a homosexual union to all observers... but since the state refuses to acknowledge the gender change of the transsexual, they are legally permitted to marry.

    So two people who look and act like men or two people that look and act like women can be legally wed as long as one was declared male and other female on their birth certificates. But to the rest of the world, it looks just like a same-sex marriage.

    It also creates a paradox, in a marriage where two people were legally joined, one undergoes a sex change years later, so that both spouses -- legally married in their state -- are now either legally male or legally female. Not only that, but they've typically established a secure monogamous union, they've raised children, they've built a household, they've worked jobs and paid taxes, they've contributed to society just as any relationship where neither partner is transsexual. Currently the states allow such marriages to persist; one of the issues with DOMA is that it was unclear whether the federal government would attempt to sunder marriages that were legitimately approved by the state in question.
    That is extremely interesting. Do transsexuals not pose as much of a problem as those who are for gay marriage? Or are there just more for gay marriage, pushing the state? How many states actually recognize a gender change?
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