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    The problem isn't the system, its the cogs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    If lark makes another politics thread, but no one cares, does it make a sound?
    If DiscoBiscuit goes on being envious of Lark what does it matter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy View Post
    The problem isn't the system, its the cogs...
    I dont necessarily agree, at least not completely, although great metaphor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I dont necessarily agree, at least not completely, although great metaphor.
    I dont see how you can disagree personally... you think there is a magic mixture of government/system that will lead us away from our base animal instincts? We simply aren't evolved enough to be that idealistic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy View Post
    I dont see how you can disagree personally... you think there is a magic mixture of government/system that will lead us away from our base animal instincts? We simply aren't evolved enough to be that idealistic.
    Given that the present is far removed from the despotic or tyrannical regimes of the past, even without exaggerating their crimes in a sort of modernist conceit kind of way, then I do believe its possible for social restructuring to take place for the better and without recidivism to earlier, supposedly "natural" forms.

    Although I'm sure that the defenders of slavery, feudalism, vassalage or norms like that thought that abandoning those things was something humankind was simply not evolved enough for.

    The personal, cultural and structural are important and contingent factors. Just as car crashes are caused by engine failure and not just drunk or inexperienced drivers.

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    At the heart of the matter is competition for survival, but at the same time people love their freedom, so this creates materialism.

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    I probably could have been a living the grand life, swimming in gold, living the rich life, bumping from one fake breast to another. But instead I just look at other people living those kinds of lives, because that's so much easier.

    I'm not very materialistic, apart from my laptop that is.
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    Consumerism can sometimes be like a magnet. We don't even realize that we're being pulled towards it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Critical Hit View Post
    People are monkeys. Monkeys like shiny things. Monkeys also like to be happy but that often takes too much effort, too much foresight, would rather just play with shiny things.
    I was going to jump in there with more rants about economic inequality, etc. However this struck me. I recall hearing or reading a Jane Goodall. The younger or weaker chimp finds out he can scare the bigger males away by beating some fuel cans together. He then proceeded to mate with their females.

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