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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    Private compagnies are more efficient than public services because it is submit to concurence and necessity of competitivity.
    I dont need the libertarian articles of faith alright? If that was even true then there wouldnt be mega corporations controlling most markets, limiting competition either between existing enterprises or creating barriers to entry, monopoly is the norm and not the exception and privately owned oligarchical central planning isnt going to be weakened by the libertarian agenda, it will be strengthened.



    It improve it, not gurantees a total security.
    Really? In contrast Europe and Canada are much safer places. Must be something besides the gun ownership which does it.


    Class war is another invention. Marxist invention.
    Yeah, that's probably why Marx said if he'd seen further than others it was by standing on the shoulders of giants, for instance, Aristotale who detailed class struggles in the greek republic. Marx is pretty derivative in this theorising, poorly read capitalist youngsters wouldnt really be aware of that, you know, seeing as it wont appear on any ideologically correct libertarian reading list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.

    - George Bernard Shaw
    If it were true Thatcher nor Reagan could have won elections repeatedly.

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    And if half the things you said were true we'd be living in Narnia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    And if half the things you said were true we'd be living in Narnia.
    Who are you responding to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I dont need the libertarian articles of faith alright? If that was even true then there wouldnt be mega corporations controlling most markets, limiting competition either between existing enterprises or creating barriers to entry, monopoly is the norm and not the exception and privately owned oligarchical central planning isnt going to be weakened by the libertarian agenda, it will be strengthened.
    Mega corporation exist with the help of the state and they use the law to limit entries on the market. truly free market is not defended by thoeses who are already rich.




    Really? In contrast Europe and Canada are much safer places. Must be something besides the gun ownership which does it.
    Most part of people killed by bullet in USA are gangster, not honest people. Wich means that USA, in comparaison with Europe, have a problem of gangsterism, not of free gun ownership.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    Mega corporation exist with the help of the state and they use the law to limit entries on the market. truly free market is not defended by thoeses who are already rich.
    And what? Its surprising that the elites in the state and business elites operate as a single class with the same interests? They are in the same income bracket you know. Its not difficult to know that.

    You believe that rolling back or dispensing with the state will harm the monopolists? Dont kid yourself, the reason libertarianism even has a look in is because the private interests propagating it have out grown, or believe they've outgrown, the need for a partnership with the state.

    Most part of people killed by bullet in USA are gangster, not honest people. Wich means that USA, in comparaison with Europe, have a problem of gangsterism, not of free gun ownership.
    Or poverty. Most people killed are poor. Although maybe poor and gangster are the same thing? Those gangsters with enough money to dodge taxes are legit businessmen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    Bullshit. Taxes is theft and redistribution of wealth, but don't create it.
    Seeing as how some avenues are, in the long term, possibly more productive than others, redistribution can in fact lead to an increase of real wealth.

    But that barely touches on the issue at hand at all. There's more to it than redistributing or creating wealth. You simply don't understand how necessary and inevitable a government is, and you don't understand how a government can't exist without taxes.

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    We don't romanticize, it's simply justice.

    Simply justice? Sounds romantic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    A capitalist economy is an economy where people are specalised in some activities, letting other people free to be specialised in other activities. There's farmer who work for the survival of tons of other people in exange of money, and there's philosophers who can forget the necessity of survival because a capitalist economy makes more food available for a cheaper price.
    None of this exists without bureaucracy.

    At any rate, you are again describing something that never existed. The society's you mentioned from so long before year 1 never had that level of specialization or such complex vertical and lateral class structures. And really, farmers didn't farm for reasons beyond their own survival and paying debt until very recently. They only appeared with a more complex official authority.

    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    The naive is you believing taht public police is enough to protect people with efficiency. For that, it would be necessary to put one cop behind each people, which is impossible. I ssimply say that individuals are free to have a gun in order to protect them.
    Free to have doesn't guarantee a god damn thing. You aren't recognizing the difference between what you want and what you'd get. Everyone is free to have a weapon, with the additional clause you didn't mention that everyone is expected to defend themselves = some people will get the upper hand and rape others, because there's no guarantee of any equilibrium.

    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    Sorry, but you simply rely on the myth of "the war of every against every", wich is completely fictional and unrealistic.
    My account is vastly more realistic than the one that fits the conditions I listed.
    How is it fictional, anyway? Where is any count against me on this point? Historically, that is how humans behave. They exploit their power over others because it is the rational thing to do. The fact that you even acknowledge the urge to oppress that would create a government basically means you acknowledge the tendencies that make my scenario a reality. How do you think we live in a world where people would establish a tyrannical government, but not in one where people with superior power would subjugate people with inferior power?
    Go to sleep, iguana.


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    Too much supidity here, I don't have the time to correct you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    Too much supidity here, I don't have the time to correct you.
    I'm sure you learn a lot with this approach.

    Anyhow, there's always an open invitation for you to try to correct me. It doesn't seem like you've taken it yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    I'm sure you learn a lot with this approach.
    I don't need to learn more to know that statism is shit.
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