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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    You can be invited and we can create special rules for socialist if you want to, like tax you at 90% since it's what socialist enjoy so much. I'm sure it will be more efficient like this.
    No, I don't think that would work at all.

    At any rate, if this is to be a true experiment, there can be no distortions to the system. It should follow all the libertarian principles and no exception should be made for anyone in order to maintain purity. I am in full support of this project, because I'd like to see a very expensive showcase of all the ways a libertarian society will fail. It does a lot of work for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    No, I don't think that would work at all.

    At any rate, if this is to be a true experiment, there can be no distortions to the system. It should follow all the libertarian principles and no exception should be made for anyone in order to maintain purity.
    Humm, Ok, you have an ability to understan irony wich is unbelievable.


    I am in full support of this project, because I'd like to see a very expensive showcase of all the ways a libertarian society will fail. It does a lot of work for me.
    If you were less ignorant, you would know that there has ever been many other private city like this, and it work better than any social democracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    If you were less ignorant, you would know that there has ever been many other private city like this, and it work better than any social democracy.
    Where?
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    Smile The Limitation of Power

    If power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely, our problem is how to limit power.

    And the only way to limit power is with power, and so the corollary is that although we can limit power, we can't abolish power.

    And the way we have learnt to limit power successully in the West is by liberal democracy; for the politiical raison d'être for liberal democracy is the limitation of power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    Yeah, but I think above all that non libertarians are people who thinks that State is a force wich can manage indivuals's life better than individuals themselves...while State is itself composed of simple individual and not of superior entities gifted with an higher power of wisdom by the magic of a succesful political campaign, or a divine election or something. I can't describe how dumb it is. It's also the belief that the "strong" id responsible of the "weak"' 's problems and deserve to be enslaved because of this.
    exactly power is kept in check much better in a Libertarian society because those in political power are kept in check. the inevitable paternalist tendencies of socialism lead to the inevitable conclusion of "who prevents those in power from doing whatever they want?" the obvious answer being, no one
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    If power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely, our problem is how to limit power.
    And the only way to limit power is with power, and so the corollary is that although we can limit power, we can't abolish power.
    And the way we have learnt to limit power successully in the West is by liberal democracy; for the politiical raison d'être for liberal democracy is the limitation of power.
    if you want to limit power, what about the people who rise to the top of the bureaucracy and consolidate all the wealth via government deals and lobbyists. that's what a non libertarian system creates. power is not bad in and of itself, there are several good kinds of power
    - knowledge
    - being a skilled communicator
    - having self control
    - having the choice to make your own decisions
    - personal responsibility
    the problem is the power to CONTROL OTHER PEOPLE which is inherently wrong and will never lead to a happy, productive society. people are free individuals, not slaves to the collective state of society
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    And the way we have learnt to limit power successully in the West is by liberal democracy; .


    If liberal democracy was an efficient way to limit power, the power of bureaucracy would'nt have increase almost continiously toward the decades.

    And to limit power, we need a force, but not necessarly another power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    Where?
    Example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magarpatta

    And some others examples here: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ville_priv%C3%A9e
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    If power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely, our problem is how to limit power.
    And the only way to limit power is with power, and so the corollary is that although we can limit power, we can't abolish power.
    And the way we have learnt to limit power successully in the West is by liberal democracy; for the politiical raison d'être for liberal democracy is the limitation of power.
    Libertarianism is a precaution against absolute power. it is a balancing force because it allows everyone to attain power. other systems attempt to control people and limit their power. the problem is, it is impossible to do this to everyone and the ones who are able to avoid having their power suppressed will only gain more power once they surpass the system. people are not meant to be controlled and suppressed by others. we're meant to be free and allowed to reach our full potential.
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    All the libertarians in this thread conform perfectly to my expectations of libertarians.

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