This reminds me of my ex. He used to say that people who were very weak physically and didn't have much going for them intellectually either were the result of bad sex. He had this acquaintence who he used to call "the worm" and declared that the worm was the result of two people who weren't very into each other having very routine, obligatory sex. LOL.
Hey - the thread is already off topic, right?
free association thread! and obvious proof of why one should ENJOY sex... so that thier children end up normal!
Originally Posted by violaine
@whatever: Well, just as long as you're thinking of 'em. :-D
I'm such a good person!
Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom? -Terry Pratchett
A certain someone has been thread banned for trolling. Now [don't] kick some kids in the face, you Good Samaritan, you.
NOW - back on track!
Oh wait -
Stop talking about corporal punishment people! :rawr:
Start talking about puppies:
Here's a question - what establishments/hours do you think it makes sense for 'child free' time?
Also, I think sometimes provisional rules could work very well for small businesses. I'm think spas and other places that could cater to (older) women who may have children. There are already such provisional rules in place for dogs like "well-behaved dogs who response well to voice control are allowed off leash in so and so". I know that sounds terrible to equate children with dogs, but as far as the 'public nuisance' factor goes, they are very similar.
I remember I took my 2 well trained very obedient dogs to Carmel beach which is all off leash. Some families and couples loved my dogs, some were obviously annoyed. My own reaction to that was 'Tough, they made this beach off-leash to all breeds for a reason and my dogs really ARE awesome'. The whole town of Carmel caters to dogs and more importantly affluent patrons who will shell out extra $$ to dine and hang with their dogs.
My dogs btw, do not bark or hump people and they are trained to follow right beside me or up to 1 yard ahead of me, but they will stop and wait for me and return to me as soon as I call them. They are also a small breed, no more than 16 lbs each. They are basically very well behaved, well socialized, and sweet dogs. And not just because I say so!
That reminds me of what VIolaine said about avoiding certain areas. If you don't like kids, you will obviously not need to be in and avoid places like circuses, Chuck E Cheese, etc. And if you knowingly go into high-kid areas there is a grudging acknowledgement you must share space.
Some people hate kids/dogs period. Some people just resent the ill behaved ones. But mostly I think what I'm hearing is people are irritated at absent parents who use bystanders and babysitters.
“If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.” ― Oscar Wilde
So. This isn't like some new thing mean people created. I think there's actually something very sensible about it. The "kid culture" has gotten out of control.
The part that surprises me is that the idea of 'child free zones' didn't become mainstream in America until now. I guess it was the competing forces of the "kid culture" you talk about becoming more common vs becoming more socially acceptable to enforce such ideas.
Originally Posted by Savage Idealist
Personally I'm against the nature of such mass bannings,
LOL. Mass bannings.
The point is that the success of these ideas is heavily influenced by market forces. We aren't going to see widespread bans, but rather exclusions in places where children have caused problems in the past. If businesses make more money after implementing such a policy, then it suggests that it was a problem.
I don't expect to see children banned from particular supermarkets in the near future as this would likely hurt the businesses in question. Kicking out noisy children on the other hand...
Screeching children are annoying, but it's something I'd put up with in a lot of places because I know that some parents are constrained by circumstances that require them to drag their kids around with them. For instance, a single mother who works might have to pick her kid up from school and, to save money on transportation (or to catch public transportation at the right time), it might be better for her to go to the grocery store immediately afterward with the kid in tow. I'm not spoiled or entitled enough to demand that my ears not be littered with the noise of crying children when I'm in a public shopping place.
I also have a suspicion that many people enthusiastic about this concept (except in certain limited circumstances) are the type who not only dislike misbehaving children, but actually dislike the sound of children laughing and playing-such as the people at my sister's condo who kept trying to get my nieces and nephews barred from the pool.
I like the sound of kids playing.
I don't think kids should be in places where obviously they don't belong. Nice restaurants, movies @7 etc. I don't think uncontrolled kids are so much of problem here, plus you tend to be a little more forgiving when a frazzled looking parent is desperately trying to control the situation. Well, I am.
but yeah, it's uncontrolled hellions that every one hates...I wish they had some sort of day care @ work, for patient's kids, because that's where I come across uncontrolled kids the most. Plus they are a real danger, you really don't want them under your feet in a medical emergency. (the clerks seem to spend a hell of a lot of time baby sitting). I know it can't be helped at times, but I hate it when I see some brat running down the corridor getting under the feet of the oldies.
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