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    No serious drug addict could finance a drug habit with welfare money. That's nowhere near enough money for all of those expensive drugs. They would have to get money for their drugs from other, less legal means, and, if the welfare money were gone, they might not miss it. People who don't take drugs and who need the assistance might get offended if they are told to pee in a cup. Given the lack of jobs (the unemployment rate has stayed above nine percent for some time), these folks would be the ones to suffer.
    No drug testing just for the sake of humiliating people for being poor. It's a bad idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Idealist View Post
    I'm against the practice of testing welfare recipients for drugs and denying them welfare because they use drugs. Sure maybe the meth addict shouldn't be trusted with free money as he might spend it on less than ideal means, but that's what happens naturally when you give money to someone in a capitalist system. Perhaps rather, special stamps or tickets that entitle the recipient to only certain locations where they may purchase what they need?
    You mean like this:

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    Yes, that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Idealist View Post
    Yes, that.
    Ugh they don't have those any more they have TANF cards (I think that's how it's spelled) but anyway..very familiar with these cards...you can take your friends to the store and spend your foodstamps on them and have them give you money in return. You can also withdraw child support just like an ATM.

    Isn't that rad?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    Ugh they don't have those any more they have TANF cards (I think that's how it's spelled) but anyway..very familiar with these cards...you can take your friends to the store and spend your foodstamps on them and have them give you money in return. You can also withdraw child support just like an ATM.

    Isn't that rad?
    So wy not implement a system where those using such cards are required to show ID in order to proof that they're the ones using them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Idealist View Post
    So wy not implement a system where those using such cards are required to show ID in order to proof that they're the ones using them?
    But they do. You're not understanding what I'm saying, bro. You can have a TANF card, and exchange foodstamps for money by taking someone else to the store, a nice proper enabler, and what's even better is the actual support money which you just withdraw. I used to work in a grocery store and my sister is on welfare, I've gotten the full welfare experience almost without having been on it myself. I've also seen my mom's neighbor sell her clothing voutures to other people for cash. People do this. They show I.D. at the office, even at the store, but when it comes down to it you can't control everything people do.

    I just want people to be drug tested because it hurts the children in the long run who are supposed to be the recipients of these welfare benefits. Of course, as I mentioned earlier in the thread, the only way it would realistically work is if marijuana became legal.

    You can do hair tests for hard drugs for like months and months after you've peed it out. They do hair tests on people to work in casinos in Vegas, I had one before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Idealist View Post
    Perhaps rather, special stamps or tickets that entitle the recipient to only certain locations where they may purchase what they need?
    Or that entitle them to only certain items, like certain programs already do.






    I blame the American public and the political climate in American government for the fact that this hasn't happened yet. It's a simple solution, but both of the aforementioned groups would much rather project their feelings and frustrations into the usual divisive issues with clear scapegoats. Life isn't always so black-and-white- more people need to acknowledge this, face their insecurities, uncertanties and fears, and act. Perhaps they will also benefit by becoming more knowledgeable, empathetic, and proactive citizens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Yeah, getting rid of welfare wont stop drug use, or unemployment for that matter. That's wishful thinking and fantasy.
    Absofuckinglutely

    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    The issue of drug use is a complex one and I dont believe that governments attempting to police illegal narcotics are at war with their people or any other shallow and simple minded sloganeering, the nets good at that, perhaps its all its good for and there's been a good book published lately on that topic called The Shallows, none the less it isnt the case. No matter how easy life would appear if all the complex problems could be simplified.
    You don't believe there is an ulterior motive in a drug campaign thats netting $23.4 Billion for 2011, that 60% of non-violant criminals are jailed for (cost of inmate) and is providing a massive number of government payroll jobs through various committees, legislation, law inforcement, etc. a campaign that has been widely proven as ineffective for more than 30 years? Just 'Drugs are bad, mkay?'



    Moving along now..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    I just want people to be drug tested because it hurts the children in the long run who are supposed to be the recipients of these welfare benefits. Of course, as I mentioned earlier in the thread, the only way it would realistically work is if marijuana became legal.

    You can do hair tests for hard drugs for like months and months after you've peed it out. They do hair tests on people to work in casinos in Vegas, I had one before.
    Do you really believe that drug users are going to stop using because of this test? You think that while they are willing to lose everything.. their jobs, health, family, friends etc. that this test is going to single handedly make drug users stop.. and they are not smart enough to find the glitch in the system? (That glitch being that they simply find a way to pass, or have one of their non-using friends or family members "sign to receive benefits"?)

    I just find this idea extremely naive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walking Tourist View Post
    if the welfare money were gone, they might not miss it.
    But their kids might, ya?

    Quote Originally Posted by Walking Tourist View Post
    People who don't take drugs and who need the assistance might get offended if they are told to pee in a cup. Given the lack of jobs (the unemployment rate has stayed above nine percent for some time), these folks would be the ones to suffer.
    No drug testing just for the sake of humiliating people for being poor. It's a bad idea.
    DO you mean to say that it violates the presumed spirit of innocence until proven guilty, punishes the many for the actions of a few, is another step in targeting and eroding the rights of a small group, and upholds the stereotype that all people on welfare are drug-using moochers?
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