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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    When are you going to change your type to IxFJ, Professor Killjoy?
    Just maybe we can work out some sort of deal where I'll change my type to that if you can go some alloted length of time only saying things that are relevant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnyboy View Post
    I'm not sure why there is argument here. People either find something funny or they don't. I will concede, however, that a certain degree of disconnectedness is required to find humor in such tragedies. I find certain serious diseases and immoral acts to be rather humorous if viewed at an emotional distance and in the right context, but a serious mental inspection of such things removes most if not all humor.
    I fully understand gallows humor. Trust me, I work for the board of probation and parole and I'm utilizing it all the time. The area of interest to me is that this is so openly funny to everyone, just like it was last time the subject is posted, but that I know full well that if the genders were swapped the reaction would be different. If I've irritated someone by finding this to not be a laughing matter, I would in contrast irritate or even enrage people by finding the reverse scenario funny. That's the sticking point for me.

    Yes, humor is irrational. That's does not mean there is no reason that someone comes to find one thing funny or not, even if they are not consciously aware of it. There is still potentially meaning in peoples' laughter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnyboy View Post
    I'm not sure why there is argument here. People either find something funny or they don't. I will concede, however, that a certain degree of disconnectedness is required to find humor in such tragedies. I find certain serious diseases and immoral acts to be rather humorous if viewed at an emotional distance and in the right context, but a serious mental inspection of such things removes most if not all humor.
    EXACTLY. If you're a person who likes black comedy you have the ability to look at human drama from a more removed stand-point and see the humor and ridiculousness in the things that people do to each other every day. It's one of those if you didn't laugh you'd go insane things. I don't know how to not laugh at something this absurd. In fact, I love stories like this from the human condition. The more our culture becomes white-washed and PC, the more I am disappoint.

    I've already conceded that if I were faced with the same situation I wouldn't act in the same manner, nor would I advocate that others do so...and yet they continue to preach about something that happened to strangers half-way across the world, which is in truth one of the more minor things that has happened in the news recently. They'll both live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    I fully understand gallows humor. Trust me, I work for the board of probation and parole and I'm utilizing it all the time. The area of interest to me is that this is so openly funny to everyone, just like it was last time the subject is posted, but that I know full well that if the genders were swapped the reaction would be different. If I've irritated someone by finding this to not be a laughing matter, I would in contrast irritate or even enrage people by finding the reverse scenario funny. That's the sticking point for me.

    Yes, humor is irrational. That's does not mean there is no reason that someone comes to find one thing funny or not, even if they are not consciously aware of it. There is still potentially meaning in peoples' laughter.
    Do not fear, your inquisitive nature and thoughtfulness have not irritated me even to the least degree. That you do not find this humorous is your own preference, and it has perhaps allowed you to look critically at this (rather than enjoy a good laugh like many of us). I think the reasons why the opposite wouldn't be as funny are many, and I'll mention the ones that immediately come to mind:

    Things which are unexpected (or absurd) are often amusing. Rape of a man is less common, and is thus unexpected; especially rape which does not involve sodomizing and is perpetrated by a woman. Because it is less common, it does not carry with it (at least to the same degree) the stigma associated with the rape of a woman. Women are generally thought to be less sexually perverse than men, so when a woman commits rape she isn't viewed the same way as a man who commits rape. It is difficult to explain, but if a man were to rape a female robber, he would be viewed as somewhat of a closet sexual deviant, whereas the same does not apply for the woman (at least in my mind). I'll have to think more about this; maybe sleep on it, discuss it with friends, etc, before coming back with a more thorough examination. What are your thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    You just don't share my sense of humor, that's all. Stuff like this is why I like writers like Chekhov, and watch loads of black comedies about quirky people doing bizarre things.

    Human beings are fantastic entertainment, and often truth is stranger than fiction (which is why supposedly the best writers write what they know.)
    I'm not stranger to liking black comedies (Four Lions, for example, is a pretty funny movie about four bumbling wannabe Muslim extremist terrorists in England), but if, say, Fargo happened in real life the kidnapping scene (done beat for beat the same) maybe wouldn't be quite as funny. A lot of comedians I like have awesome jokes about terrible stuff (rape included) that I find real life incidents of... perhaps less humorous.

    That said, I'm not crying over this story. It's just my sense of finding this pretty unjust in terms of how I define the idea of justice and my not necessarily finding female on male rape inherently funny just because it's a reversal of the usual and the fact that it is true doesn't make me think this really find it immediately amusing, and instead makes me lean towards "that's kind of fucked up." I also don't think the question of why this is seen as less terrible than the rape of a woman is inconsequential, in fact much of my interest in this thread has been that idea (that and, again, what constitutes social justice). I don't often consider male victims when it comes to rape, but I think there's a lot of ground there to discuss not only what exactly makes one worse than the other but why the different ways we view each sex makes it so in our minds. I think that's an intriguing question, but don't begrudge different views. Those topics, however, aren't very well suited to a thread intended as a laugh. It's in that way I didn't mean my post as "moralizing" or condescending, but instead to spark debate and discussion about these topics.

    Yes, it comes down to personal response. And I think we all agree both parties should not be let off the hook for their actions.
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    Where I'm from, (in lieu of the castle doctrine) you have the right to shoot a burglar.

    Also, criminals of this nature are going be spending time in prison, where worse happens everyday. Whether this worse is rape or not is besides the point.

    The robber, in my mind at least, forfeited all rights to their well being when they broke into someone else's place of business for personal gain.

    What happened is less severe than the burglar will get in prison, or would get had the shop owned been armed.

    So I find it funny. Maybe a little more so because of the gender role reversal.

    Would I still find it funny if the genders were reversed? Probably, but that would mostly be because I have no love for criminals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZPowers View Post
    I'm not stranger to liking black comedies (Four Lions, for example, is a pretty funny movie about four bumbling wannabe Muslim extremist terrorists in England), but if, say, Fargo happened in real life the kidnapping scene (done beat for beat the same) maybe wouldn't be quite as funny. A lot of comedians I like have awesome jokes about terrible stuff (rape included) that I find real life incidents of... perhaps less humorous.

    That said, I'm not crying over this story. It's just my sense of finding this pretty unjust in terms of how I define the idea of justice and my not necessarily finding female on male rape inherently funny just because it's a reversal of the usual and the fact that it is true doesn't make me think this really find it immediately amusing, and instead makes me lean towards "that's kind of fucked up." I also don't think the question of why this is seen as less terrible than the rape of a woman is inconsequential, in fact much of my interest in this thread has been that idea (that and, again, what constitutes social justice). I don't often consider male victims when it comes to rape, but I think there's a lot of ground there to discuss not only what exactly makes one worse than the other but why the different ways we view each sex makes it so in our minds. I think that's an intriguing question, but don't begrudge different views. Those topics, however, aren't very well suited to a thread intended as a laugh.

    Yes, it comes down to personal response. And I think we all agree both parties should not be let off the hook for their actions, whether those actions were comical or not.
    Strictly speaking, if this is a true story, I agree with you that it's pretty f'd up and not cool.

    But if you want to get analytical and make a realistic comparison, let's address the differences between male on female rape vs. this scenario:



    - The male has to be aroused to be raped (am I wrong?); the female does not have to be aroused to be raped.
    - Sex when not aroused is painful for females; for males, not even possible. Even if it was possible, it wouldn't be painful to nearly the same extent.
    - Male on female rape is far more violating to the female than female on male rape of this kind is to the male, because of who is being penetrated. If she had sodomized him, then that would be a different story, and even more violating than male on female rape.
    - Rape is something women have to be careful to avoid all their lives, and a creepy unspoken form of power threat that men hold over women. Not true for men, except when they're in prison, and even then it's only other men they have to worry about.

    So, I would say female on male rape of this kind would be more comparable to male on female sexual assault with no penetration. A more comparable gender-reversed scenario might be if he tied her up and fondled her breasts for 3 days or gave her oral sex or something like that.

    By contrast, I'm pretty sure most people found the premise of the movie Misery creepy rather than amusing.

    I don't know, just some thoughts from the top of my head. <*ducks*>

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    Quote Originally Posted by redcheerio View Post
    - The male has to be aroused to be raped (am I wrong?); the female does not have to be aroused to be raped.
    - Sex when not aroused is painful for females; for males, not even possible. Even if it was possible, it wouldn't be painful to nearly the same extent.
    - Male on female rape is far more violating to the female than female on male rape of this kind is to the male, because of who is being penetrated. If she had sodomized him, then that would be a different story, and even more violating than male on female rape.
    - Rape is something women have to be careful to avoid all their lives, and a creepy unspoken form of power threat that men hold over women. Not true for men, except when they're in prison, and even then it's only other men they have to worry about.


    Let's see
    a) No and arousal is not necessarily 'by choice'.
    b) Note 'by choice'
    c) Why?

    Then we'll deal with d.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    c) Why?

    Then we'll deal with d.
    Hehe, this one is easy. I'm going to rape you Jim, and you get to decide: a) I shove my penis deep inside you and fill you with my cum; or b) I shove your penis deep inside me and cum on your chest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnyboy View Post
    Hehe, this one is easy. I'm going to rape you Jim, and you get to decide: a) I shove my penis deep inside you and fill you with my cum; or b) I shove your penis deep inside me and cum on your chest.
    Although Jonny I would love you to do both to me this ignores psychological impact and merely has the pre-tense of labelling rape as a mechanical action.

    Rape is an activity which violates forces a sexual encounter on another person without their consent. The mechanical method varies.

    Note I'm merely on a societal double standard pointing out mode. I'm sure he had a great time *derp*

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    Quote Originally Posted by redcheerio View Post
    - The male has to be aroused to be raped (am I wrong?); the female does not have to be aroused to be raped.
    It's a bit late, but let me address this: A) it clearly states in the story the man was fed Viagra. Not to be crude, but this seems semi-similar to a male assailant applying lubricant.

    and

    B) if a women were raped, and gained some incidental and fully unintentional physical pleasure during the course of it (which, I believe, does sometimes happen), it seems wrong to excuse the rape over that fact, does it not? One can become physically aroused when one mentally absolutely does not want that to happen.
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