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    Jews, Christians and Muslims have always lived together in that part of the world. Especially, in Jerusalem.

    So, it isn't a struggle of religion, but rather a struggle for land and political power.

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    Yea, jews Christians and Muslims have always lived together. Considering that the founder of the muslims and Jews was the same but had a child with two different woman of which he send one into the desert because he hated it (the muslims). the war between the religions is written down in their books from the start, christians are more or less the outsiders here. jesus is a prophet in the islam so basically the islam likes us, but that changed since we sold guns to israel.

    i tell you, when you really believe that Christians, Jews and Muslims ever lived or can live in Peace together, still believing in their religions, your sense of reality is even further away than I at first glance suspected.
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    Ideology in its purest form cannot be reasoned with since it's sourced from irrationality. How can you unweave religion and politics when faith is the mightiest weapon of all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    How can you unweave religion and politics when faith is the mightiest weapon of all?
    If we are equating religion with ideology, then everything you ever believe in is religion whether it falls into a particular theological system or not.

    My point was, there are other motives that would drive a nation to wage war on another than religious feuds. For example, resources, power, etc.

    Think of it what you will, but the Israli-Palestinian conflict as we have known it for the past 50 years or so is political, not religious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odyne View Post
    Jews, Christians and Muslims have always lived together in that part of the world. Especially, in Jerusalem.

    So, it isn't a struggle of religion, but rather a struggle for land and political power.
    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    Yea, jews Christians and Muslims have always lived together. Considering that the founder of the muslims and Jews was the same but had a child with two different woman of which he send one into the desert because he hated it (the muslims). the war between the religions is written down in their books from the start, christians are more or less the outsiders here. jesus is a prophet in the islam so basically the islam likes us, but that changed since we sold guns to israel.
    None of you guys heard of the Crusades?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odyne View Post
    If we are equating religion with ideology, then everything you ever believe in is religion whether it falls into a particular theological system or not.

    My point was, there are other motives that would drive a nation to wage war on another than religious feuds. For example, resources, power, etc.

    Think of it what you will, but the Israli-Palestinian conflict as we have known it for the past 50 years or so is political, not religious.
    Fair enough. Amended to Institutionalised ideology.

    But...it has to be questioned why extremist governments are being voluntarily elected in the Middle East and why Sharia Law even exists, if politics and religion aren't tightly bound.

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    Sharia. Sharif is a tribal title.

    Mightier than the tread of marching armies is the power of an idea whose time has come

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    Thanks for the correction. Post amended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    Fair enough. Amended to Institutionalised ideology.

    But...it has to be questioned why extremist governments are being voluntarily elected in the Middle East and why Sharif Law even exists, if politics and religion aren't tightly bound.
    Unlike what we have here, governments are not voluntarily "elected" in the Middle East. I am sure you heard of the recent uprisings in the area.

    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    None of you guys heard of the Crusades?
    Sure, but why don't you tell me about them. (:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odyne View Post
    Unlike what we have here, governments are not voluntarily "elected" in the Middle East. I am sure you heard of the recent uprisings in the area.
    Are you suggesting that Ahmadinejad wasn't voluntarily elected?

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