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    Quote Originally Posted by Mkenya View Post
    So..
    a bunch of people did something...and a bunch of other people don't like what they did?
    Pretty much

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    Alright, let's use our wealth and privelege to re-enact racism and oppression.
    Yeah, like in movies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reason View Post
    Yeah, like in movies.
    Typically in movies there's an artistic message, not just blatant wallowing in "oh isn't it neat to have all black African servants for our all white guests."

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    July 15th Official Statement via blog

    On behalf of welovepictures, we feel it necessary to respond to those who we have offended by the wedding titled Colonial African Wedding, posted on our blog recently. The images were maliciously taken out of context in a report by an American online gossip site.


    We would like to point out:


    - that the theme chosen by the couple was in fact based on Sydney Pollack’s film “Out of Africa” and that it was not, in any reasonable interpretation of that term, a celebration of colonialism. By titling the blog post “Colonial African Wedding”, we were naive not to consider the negative implications of using the word “colonial" in the blog title. In hindsight, we understand that this word carries a significant amount of hurt and pain. For this we offer our sincerest apologies.


    - that the waitrons who served at the wedding, at the couple’s request, comprised of all race groups found in South Africa, including people of European descent.


    - that it was certainly not our intention to offend, belittle or in any other way cause harm to anyone through our work.


    Nevertheless, we acknowledge that some of the images, when viewed out of context, could be misinterpreted and regarded as insensitive and offensive. For this we are deeply sorry and offer our sincere apologies to everyone who may have been genuinely offended or hurt by them.


    Travis and Maike McNeill
    The bolded part appears to be the most relevant line. It does not appear that this couple were secretly white-supremacists "letting down their hair" with friends and family. It seems to me that the photography studio foolishly blundered the album title misrepresenting the theme/atmosphere of the event (which was film-based versus time-period based) and the fast-as-light internet gossip machine fed the story-starved blogging machine faster than oily sardines down a starving cat's gullet and the up-in-arm reactionaries took the reins from there.
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    Thanks for the update, Iwakar.

    Heeheehee "Out of Africa" as if that movie did not carry a bag of its own problems.

    The servers were a 'mix of all the races' - I'm guessing it was still largely black. The legacy of racism generally leaves the previously enslaved/legally oppressed group much further down the economic food chain. It's the same across countries. The US mirrors a similar socio-economic history with blacks in the Jim Crow south and beyond.

    I was watching 'House Hunters International' today while I was walking a 3.0 incline on the treadmill and the story I saw on that show was so uncannily similar.

    A white couple lived in a farm in South Africa. Of course all the servants were black. Why wouldn't they be? The servants were kinda in the background, part of the landscape as is so often in "Out of Africa" like movies. The woman loved the beauty and ruggedness of the outdoors, the ROMANCE of it and of being a landowner -- do you know what the historical implications are of being a white farm owner in South Africa? NOT VERY PRETTY! LOL...

    The couple were moving to Australia for a 'better future for the kids' (surrounded by more white neighbors in a semi-rural/isolated area) and the husband pointed out that "labor is really cheap in South Africa but much more expensive in Australia so it will be harder to keep the same kind of property" . Let's not get it twisted. "Cheap labor" = Black/Indigenous labor.

    I never thought the couple in the OP were outright skin heads or white supremacists. Just like I don't think the couple in 'House Hunters International' were 'racialists' just very content to live unquestioningly in a fucked up and unearned upper level of (post-)apartheid society. The wedding couple were caught up in themselves and their own romantic notions of 'Africa' while remaining blind to their own whiteness or larger history/implications and context of things. Because they can. There are tons of people who do stuff like this every day, it is not ill spirited, just thoughtless and swimming in privilege.

    Personally, if I got an invite for a wedding by a white couple who wanted an 'Out of Africa' theme in South Africa - first, I probably would never become close enough friends to such a couple to get an invite and even if I did I'd be like ' ho ho ho' and take a step back. No, I am not attending.

    There's really no way to pretty foot around it. A white person going to Africa to live out an idealized notion of Africa, whether funneled through a specific movie or general exotica, for an event or for an adventure, mmm, that's problematic to me. They are directly or indirectly 'top of the food chain' and intend to benefit from their whiteness and exalted status which is directly related to a history of colonization, violence, and displacement. That kind of privilege - and the violent history it is built upon - is indeed an integral part of the 'romance' these places. Also, the romance associated in developed nations with returning to the 'primativa', 'rusticness', and 'natural squalor' of places in Asia, Africa, Latin America, etc.

    I highly, highly doubt Native Americans choose to recreate lost historical battles for kicks and giggles or 'good memories'. Totally different context.

    When I posted the article, again I didn't think the couple was explicitly racist or white power folks. I think this couple truly enjoyed their wedding and seemed very happy and in love. If someone said "they are not explicitly racist, they aren't bigots, they are 'educated [white] folks'" I wouldn't begudge it. However, those things don't erase a couple hundred years of history, a serious lapse in judgement, or general 'not caring' about the larger significance of one's actions.

    Also, this is not about individual couples, rather I thought it was reflective of a much larger culture of thoughtlessness and historical amnesia. "This doesn't affect me personally so it does not exist and should not bother anyone else either". Etc. Etc. Etc. For me, that was the offensive element. And again, it happens in different degrees everyday. It's a sociological/social issue, not one about a few individuals with bad taste or KKK leanings.
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    I think the negative reaction to this is hilariously overblown.

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    Yeah, the amount of white guilt in this thread is fucking gross.
    Whoops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Outsider View Post
    I think the negative reaction to this is hilariously overblown.
    You mean on the web or in this thread? Because I didn't think the response in the thread was even overwhelmingly negative.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gish View Post
    Yeah, the amount of white guilt in this thread is fucking gross.
    Very well then, how much white guilt do you think would be appropriate?

    I didn't read a lot of white guilt in the responses myself, but then, I'm not white so
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    Quote Originally Posted by CzeCze View Post
    You mean on the web or in this thread? Because I didn't think the response in the thread was even overwhelmingly negative.
    I mostly had the original article and its comments in mind, but some posts in this thread came close.

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    You have to be kidding me. They did it voluntarily in return for money. Stop whining.

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