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    Dear god, what a terrible idea. It's just asking for a rash of self-fulfilling prophecies. If kids are growing up knowing that the government is tracking them because they are considered potential criminals, do you think that they're ever going to feel as if the government is on their side? No, I guarantee that they're going to feel like the government is a force which is out to get them. This already occurs quite often, and it causes all kinds of trouble, so multiplying the problem by causing people to feel this way from their childhood is going to create more problems than it solves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    Back to the topic at hand! Why is any of this proof that a Gattica type DNA database for little children is a good idea?
    Well I do love to play the devil's advocate.

    The statistics support such an endeavor. Psychologists and sociologists have been studying the initial signs of deviancy forever. Not to mention that such databases have been utilized for sexual offenders. If it could protect people in the long run, then just the fear of the state misusing it, violation of privacy, and labeling are the only justifications people could really think of for not having a powerful tool for preemptively protecting society. Considering the current level of apathy among citizens in this country, I think now would be a fantastic time to start initiating such programs here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    The statistics support such an endeavor. Psychologists and sociologists have been studying the initial signs of deviancy forever. Not to mention that such databases have been utilized for sexual offenders. If it could protect people in the long run, then just the fear of the state misusing it, violation of privacy, and labeling are the only justifications people could really think of for not having a powerful tool for preemptively protecting society. Considering the current level of apathy among citizens in this country, I think now would be a fantastic time to start initiating such programs here.

    Just some minor problems. There's a famous quote that sums up my opinion: "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety".
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    Quote Originally Posted by millerm277 View Post
    Just some minor problems. There's a famous quote that sums up my opinion: "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety".
    A Benjamin Franklin quote? Why must I be surrounded by libertarians in this thread? Honestly, it gets tiresome hearing long dead founding fathers quoted over and over.
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    *ahem* May I ask again why so many iNtuitives are looking to the past to explain the present?
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    Because there aren't that many inspirational quotes about liberty today...*sigh*

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    true- that's why we should probably get to coming up with some!

    heart- thank you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    true- that's why we should probably get to coming up with some!

    heart- thank you!
    How bout...

    "Liberty; it's only worth the effort you put in to keep it." -Kiddo 2008

    Also, an interesting thing to think about. Nobody is born into this world as an individual. People grow into individuals.
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    Frankly, I believe the individual rights vs. safety discussion is irrelavent in this issue.

    For me, it is more a question of stigmatizing/stereotyping kids at a young age as criminals. The fact that it is the gov't doing it is only incidental. Even if a private firm were doing it for different reasons, but still stigmatizing children, I would be opposed to it.

    In a lot of these cases (in my opinion, also in things like IQ and personality types), things become self-fulfilling prophecies due to the mindsets created by the people who are stereotyped and those who do the stereotyping.

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