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    Quote Originally Posted by Z Buck McFate View Post
    I guess I kind of see the apathetic voters as often times being tools of political extremists- using fear tactics or simply appealing to a certain kind of identity to turn the apathetic must-vote-to-feel/look-responsible folks in their direction (it doesn’t take much for some people).
    As was seen in the Irish referendum of 2008 in connection with the ratification of the Lisbon Treaty, where Sinn Féin wielded misinformation and dishonest campaign tactics in order to bring home victory for the NO-side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    I see your statist overlords have conditioned you well.
    We are the sixth oldest continuous democracy in the world. And we have nine parliaments for 21 million citizens.

    And it might be of interest to say that our 'compulsory voting' amounts to a requirement to have our name ticked off the electoral roll. No one is actually compelled to cast a vote. And if we don't get our name ticked off, all that happens is that we get a letter from the Electoral Commision asking us why. And a simple reply saying we were not feeling well on the day will suffice.

    No, we have 'compulsory voting' because the citizens believe it is our duty to vote. 'Compulsory voting' is certainly not imposed by the State.

    Also we have two genuine political parties - conservative and social democratic parties. We are not a defacto one party State like the USA.

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    It's absurd to suggest that we should limit who can vote. We will not go backwards like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    I see your statist overlords have conditioned you well.



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_ignorance
    "Statist." Using neoclassical vocabulary as well. Allow me to venture a guess: free market minarchist or anarcho-capitalist?

    While I do not believe that voting should be compulsory, I would be interested in knowing what you believe the role of the state (if any) should be and upon what subjective criteria you draw such a rubric.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    We are the sixth oldest continuous democracy in the world. And we have nine parliaments for 21 million citizens.
    And how old is that democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lex Talionis View Post
    "Statist." Using neoclassical vocabulary as well.
    It's just a word. You're awful quick to classify, categorize, and stereotype, eh?

    Allow me to venture a guess: free market minarchist or anarcho-capitalist?
    Autarchist is probably the best word, if you're in dire need of a label.

    While I do not believe that voting should be compulsory, I would be interested in knowing what you believe the role of the state (if any) should be
    The state 'should' have no role.

    and upon what subjective criteria you draw such a rubric.
    That'd take forever and a day for me to distill into writing. This is probably a decent primer.

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    I see PJ O'Rourke has a new book out too and he's attacking voting aswell, the title is dont vote it only encourages them or something like that, so it seems like its the popular thing in the states now to attack it.

    I reckon that we're all converging on something like the planned capitalism of China eventually, perhaps with it being a little more favourable to the rich in the US than elsewhere but that's the future.

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